Steelhead and carp

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2011/11/14 22:19:17 (permalink)

Steelhead and carp

I am planning on buying a new fly rod, and was wondering if there was a rod that could be used for both steelhead and carp, what length and weight would you suggest? I was thinking either a 7 to 8 weight and 9 to 10 feet, just kind of curious to what would be better. It would serve mainly as a steelhead rod, but I'd use it for carp given the chance.

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    Loomis
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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/15 07:35:48 (permalink)
    9-9'6'' 6-7 weight would be more conducive to splitting the distance between these two in my opinion.


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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/15 10:47:48 (permalink)
    I use a 9' 8wt for carp and steelhead. That's just me
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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/16 22:00:09 (permalink)
    I fished for carp with my 5wt this summer and never felt 'outgunned' I typically fish streams that would be categorized as medium for carp. Some ponds and lakes too. Anyways, I caught two that were close to 30" and 12lbs and didnt have problems with my 5wt. I have an 8wt for steelhead though. Unless you are fishing for 30lb monster carp, I dont think I understand the heavy rods(8 or 9wt). The carp I fish for require such a delicate presentation that I think I would feel clumsy and heavy handed with such a heavy line.
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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/16 22:16:25 (permalink)
    The 8wt is just my preference. I caught a bunch of carp these last 2 summers all sight fishing for them (pretty delicate). Even with the 8 I normally get taken into the backing. So don't get me wrong I've landed them on a 5wt but I like to get them in quick with as little stress as possible.
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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/16 22:40:22 (permalink)
    I feel cheated. Out of the 15 or so carp I have caught this summer, NONE have taken me into my backing. Some had some powerful runs, but I never saw white dacron. With 3x tippet, you can really put the brakes on them with the drag without fearing breakoffs. This is sort of why I havent fully comprehended the need for a heavier rod. Well, unless you are fishing for seriously large fish, but I have yet to see in person a carp that was 30lbs+. I cant say there is a definite answer, but I choose to go for the lighter rod when I leave the house. My post was meant to be relevant towards the OP. I say go for the best possible steelhead outfit and view its carping attributes as secondary, because you can effectively fish for carp with a 5wt(which I am guessing you already own).
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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/17 01:31:09 (permalink)

    I'm not catching monsters. Only 8-12's. 12lb straight floro. My weak link is my hook. Mustad streamer hooks in size 10. I have them straighten on the regular.
    post edited by steelhound - 2011/11/17 01:36:19
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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/17 21:56:27 (permalink)
    River or Lake Carp? I would say a 9'6" 6 or 7, my main focus would be on the reel though. They are called golden bones for a reason. Something with a sealed carbon fiber drag would be ideal.
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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/17 22:10:04 (permalink)
    carp in either place, it would mainly be for steelhead though

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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/19 10:48:58 (permalink)
    6 or 7 is fine like stated above, 8 is a little overkill in my opinon.
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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/19 11:36:09 (permalink)
    Hound, what's up w some side pressure? I wish I could get a carp to pull more than 10ft of drag. Even w 4lb test its never happened to me.
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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/20 13:49:33 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: FishinGuy

    Hound, what's up w some side pressure? I wish I could get a carp to pull more than 10ft of drag. Even w 4lb test its never happened to me.

    Sorry, next time I go I'll let you know so you can show me how to fight a fish.
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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/20 15:36:40 (permalink)
    I've never fly fished for carp but i have caught them on ultralights with four pound test and they can really pull the drag out at times

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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/20 16:58:14 (permalink)
    I guess I'm just unlucky, no disrespect intended hound. Only joking. But seriously where do you find the drag ripping carp? Bigger rivers only?
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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/20 22:06:52 (permalink)
    Why thank you so much, I now know what weight and length rod to get


    stupid spam

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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/20 22:36:47 (permalink)
    haha you are making the decision too complicated. I just fished for steelhead this weekend with a 5wt fly setup. I think everyone agrees if you could only have ONE rod for pa fishing, it would be a 6. I assume you have a 4 or 5, so go with a 7 or 8 for steelhead. I would think the length of the rod would be more important than the difference in line weight. I would be going for the 10' 7wt all day, but thats just me. I am also the guy that carps with a 5wt etc.
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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/20 22:43:40 (permalink)
    I was talking about the spam, and how it helped me out alot.


    But in all seriousness I am probably going to go with a 7 weight though, still not sure on length, seems like 10 foot will be hard to get used too

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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/21 08:55:00 (permalink)
    But just think how sweet you'd look casting a 10ft rod in a big puffy coat!
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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/21 18:29:09 (permalink)
    10 footer ain't a whole lot of difference from a 9 footer once you cast it for 5-10 minutes. I like having the extra foot for steelhead, but where it may be an issue is if you fish in a lot of low trees and brush, where it's just getting stuck in branches. Out in the open, it's no problem.
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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/22 17:42:57 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Cold

    10 footer ain't a whole lot of difference from a 9 footer once you cast it for 5-10 minutes.


    How do you cast a 2lb ball of "mojo" on a fleepole letmenok.

    Out in the open, it's no problem.


    Unless it's windy

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    RE: Steelhead and carp 2011/11/24 09:32:50 (permalink)
    10' 7 weight is a staple steelhead rod... like cold said its only a problem with small brushy water; I personally don't fish this water myself so 10' is my smallest rod...

    Mountain man is correct with the wind if you're back hand casting; but, if roll, switch or single spey casting; wind should not effect your casting at all with a 10 footer... good luck
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