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2011/10/15 16:15:02 (permalink)

Did I do OK

So I have decided to give this fly fishing thing a serious try, and stop fishing for salmon on my $40 Shakespeare  5wt.   I went up wanting to spend about $150
 I got a Cortland Procast 9 ft 8wt rod and an Okuma SLV 8/9 reel.  It was all set up with backing 8 weight tapered line and a loop on the end, just tie on leader and out the door.   I got it for a tick under $200 from Pineville shop.  I know the guys that work there, Dale and Rickey and I think I did OK.   I liked the light feel and the lifetime warranty the Cortland offered so I paid a little more for the rod than I wanted to.  I read some pretty good stuff on the Okuma and bang for buck, it looked good
 I visited all the players in town to see what they had, including Dawn who kept us there for 1/2 gabbing about this and that, bought a few bags of material out of her dollar bin.   It then started pouring so I came home without trying it.   I will be heading up tomorrow AM to test it out.
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    waDerboy
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/15 16:42:38 (permalink)
    Don't know the reel but I have never been disappointed by Cortland products.
    What kind of flyline,some shoot better than others and going to cheap can be making it harder than it has to be.

    Slip on loop connections can be a problem when fishing for big fish.
    Look at a knot tying webpage and learn the albright knot just in case.
    Have some .21 or so mono to use for that knot.
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/15 16:55:41 (permalink)
    Don't know about the fly line, but I would assume it is on the cheaper end of the spectrum.   I am starting to learn the knots, but not very good yet.   I did not want to go wild on the set up as I do not know if I will really like fly fishing and hopefully this rod does not end up with the  RC car, paintball gun ect.  I can always upgrade the line and the reel later and keep this for a back up.
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/15 16:57:29 (permalink)
    Price was on the money . I agree with Wader- check the strength of that loop. I use Nail knots  to attach a leader butt,Albright will work too,  but we agree on the .021 -lighter line will cut and slip off. I've talked to the guys in the rod shop at Cortland, as they bought Diamondback Rods out of Stowe Vt. They've come up with some  rod tips for me from the early 90's they had in a barrel. Really good guys. I've fished Cortland stuff and use their lines- cheaper and as good as most. Cortland has great customer service. If you attach a leader to the loop connection- use a loop to loop connection, not a standard knot tied to the loop. It will fail easily and you can quickly damage it trying to cut off the leader to change it. Buy leaders with a loop in them (or learn the perfection loop) and use the handshake loop to loop. All available on youtube. Have a blast!
     
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/15 17:03:15 (permalink)
    Agreed fichy the nail, I tie the same knot with a tube, is a better connecter but when sitting on the bank shaking after having the loop connection slip while playing that lifetime fish I think the albright is easier.
    Fix it good at home later is my method.
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/15 17:04:24 (permalink)
    Clint welcome to salmon/steelhead on the fly. Have had some of the most arm yanking strikes from these large fish on a fly. As far as $$$ some will spend hundreds others even more, I spend alot of my cash at the pineville shop and get alot of my flys there to they are good folks with some good info. Dont get discouraged if your not catching them off the bat its a different game with the big line but once you figure things out youll love it. Good luck
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/15 23:16:38 (permalink)
    IMO--a 9'8wt is on the light side for kings--can be done but b careful w/ it.

    Steel on a pin---so easy a caveman can do it.
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/16 05:55:42 (permalink)
    My orvis battenkill large arbor handles the fish great and I love the drag system on that. still using my cabelas special 9wt fly rod. I use 25 pound mono from the fly line to the flouro. What fichy and them are telling does and will happen. Also check your fly line connection to your backing. I once had a king get to my backing at the ballpark and watched my flyline going upstream.
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/16 06:45:10 (permalink)
    One of the main reasons for the Cortland was the warranty, I am thinking  I will be targeting mostly steel and Browns though. 
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/16 11:18:34 (permalink)
    Clint - you did good with that outfit - especially considering your budget restraints - which most of us are faced with.
    8 wgt outfit gives you versatility to use for several species, and it won't wear your casting arm down after a day of fishing.

    Just make sure you use a lighter tippet. In case you hook up a salmon and think it is too much, just lower rod, point at fish, hold flyline, and snap off the filthy mudshark.

    Spanked knuckles are part of the game sometimes, learn to palm the reel and there is no need for anti-reverse reels.
    (Pinners can land a salmon with much lighter rods and a reel with no drag).

    ($900 reel?? - it better have 4 wheels on it that I can drive to/from da river.

    later



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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/16 22:54:42 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: metalslayer

    IMO--a 9'8wt is on the light side for kings--can be done but b careful w/ it.


    agreed; the kings i encountered today wouldve spanked the crap outta me if i had a 9' 8 weight; but it is doable and a perfect steel/crossover to salmon rod and i have used one plenty of times...

    cortland was my first fly rod... it was a 5 weight in which i fished trout for... i ended up using it for kings and steel early on and managed to land quite a few kings on it... it was a great casting rod for trout though and i still have it...

    cortland fly lines have never done me wrong either... my most recent line was a cortland precision 7 wt. with a salmon taper ... it casts great on one of my 7 weights, but lousy on another; so keep that in mind... rods/lines/flies/presentations... theres a lot to it... but dont let it scare you... welcome to fly fishing
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/17 17:21:24 (permalink)
    clint i think you did well and will be fine with the 8 wt for even the biggest salmon that swim lake ontario.. been fishing there for over 30 years with nothing more then an 8wt.. never once broke a rod. sure at times it would be nice to have a 9 or 10 wt just to put more hammer on them but just think about holding & casting a heavy stick like that all day.. Nah, I'll pass & play them a little more.

    You did well, cortland are good products..

    "whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/17 22:10:31 (permalink)
    Clint the most important thing to remember is to.....keep your hands on the cork!!!!
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/18 09:22:39 (permalink)
    Pa - glad you typed that instead of DB.

    There is a good chance he would have mispelled a key word via his Smart Phone fumbler pad....
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    Clint S
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/18 17:56:22 (permalink)
    PA, I will try to keep that in mind.  ;0)  I have picked up a few more things with the search function here and am wanting them out. 
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/18 18:09:37 (permalink)
    That's a great point , Jack. I'll add one more -probably the number one reason for blown up rods. If you are landing fish, don't hold the rod straight up, make sure you keep it a bit down . Straight up will snap the tip. Longer rods make you elevate them more to get the fish near you. A good thing to keep in mind.
     
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/18 18:54:53 (permalink)
    They are all good rod handling tips fellas.. I must be doing something right as I have never broken a rod (spin or fly) on a fish.. Ever, no matter what species, dosn't mean I'm great & probably just lucky .. Will say though , if I ever use that spey again that might do it.. Put the 14' st.croix float rod away about 20 years ago.. Did land some kings on it but it was un godly awful to tote around and handle all day long ..

    keep side pressure and let the rod & reel work the fish . when they just sit there then apply pressure to make them expend energy.. don't be afraid to put the rod under the water if they go balistic.. pull them down not up as so many novice anglers do..

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    just to add to chartist, always walk back on shore (if you can) to beach the fish.. the farther you stand on shore the easier to "pull" them to shallows with side pressure..
    post edited by hot tuna - 2011/10/18 18:57:47

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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/18 20:05:53 (permalink)
    I am a local and have caught enough salmon in my days that to me none are worth breaking a rod, falling in or chasing a mile down stream.  I do not carry a net for that reason also.   Most of the time there a plenty of nice folks on the river with a net close by.   I also try to look around and have an "exit plan" every spot I go knowing I will have to try to beach or tail the fish.   That said, being new to a fly rod I know there is a chance I may not play the fish right and bust something (either me or the rod).   That's why I got the Cortland. They are about 1/2 hour from where I work so replacement would be easy.

    Breaking stuff reminds me of many years ago me and a buddy found some Zebco  808's at a yard sale for like 3$ each.  We looked at each other and did not even have to say a word.  The next day he got 2 and I got 3 before his pole broke and the gears stripped in mine.  I still have the reel he bought and my rod in a combo upstairs and I let the nephews use it
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/18 20:13:18 (permalink)
    fly rods - when you are ready to beach the fish (IMO more important with steelies -vs- mudsharks), loosen up the drag, hold line with hand and use rod leverage to land it.

    If/when fish feels its belly on the gravel it may decide to suddenly bolt again - if drag is locked and rod straight up - say bye bye to the rod tip.... seen it happen more than once.

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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/18 20:13:23 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: chartist1

    the DSR is only short of one thing, shoreline.....except for the area downstream of the little black hole, it's tough quarters in spots to beach a whale of a king....I was in the area downstream of the glide in the DSR and there was little to no shore to beach a king...hence, I broke my 8wt fly rod...


    Huh ? I fish there a lot and that spot just below the glide along the island all the time.. Thats a pretty easy beach spot. 1. right at tip of Island or behind in the back channel
    2. just below the run & before the bucket.. Lots of shore along there..
    I guess if you stay in the upper center of the run it can be tough but walk the fish a little up or down and super easy landing there..

    DSR has lots of easy shore line to beach fish..
    Not pointing toward you but I see a lot of folks staying in the water when they get a fish on.. The first thing I do when I get one on is look for a landing place, second start walking back towards shore.. I know excitement really kicks in but folks should try and focus on those 2 small things & it may save a rod ..lol..

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    drake good advice.. another point is once the fish starts heading to shore and you are ready to beach then "DO IT" in one strong backward motion.. Most times if doing that , like drake said, they will feel the gravel and give that burst but already be pointing toward shore and just beach themselves..

    post edited by hot tuna - 2011/10/18 20:17:25

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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/18 21:19:36 (permalink)
    its all time;place and preference...

    will agree that there is many areas to beach fish in dsr and much of the river...


    if you are fishing an area in which its not practical; look for the escape route as tuna said; i find it fun to chase the fish and give it a run for the money...

    for the absolute most difficult spots; learn to not startle the fish if possible (depending on the fishes mood) and simply take him by surprise...

    with big kings i often shy away from beaching them... get them close and let them fall in to a comfort zone while walking with them at a comfortable pace for them (downstream)... once you get them tuned in you can let some drag out on your reel and walk below them as if theyre not even hooked anymore then just simply tail that SOB... trust me it works
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/19 11:11:35 (permalink)
    I've used an 8 weight for 30 years.
    Had 2 break.
    One was a cheap Fenmick I got for signing a long term subscription to a mag.
    It had landed at least 500 kings and fought more before it turn to spaghetti just below the ferrule.

    The other an Ovis (before the gaurantee.
    That was the biggest king to date 38lb 6 oz and it took off and weht between my legs by what is now the glide after I had put the rod down to pull the hook and release it.
    I know the weight because after relanding the motherforker on the stub it had lost its release privledge.
    Jimmy Rusher scaled it at his shop.
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/19 11:39:39 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: hot tuna

    would be nice to have a 9 or 10 wt just to put more hammer on them but just think about holding & casting a heavy stick like that all day.. Nah, I'll pass & play them a little more.


    Try some creatine and a Gold's membership

    Steel on a pin---so easy a caveman can do it.
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/19 12:12:14 (permalink)
    Not taking a deep muscle needle full of HGH for no dam fish.
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/19 17:58:12 (permalink)
    I guess I'm an ahole for fishing for sharks with  the same 9 wt. that's landed thousands of stripes. However, it doesn't tire me out the least little bit. Landing tons of fish does.  I use 6 and 7's for steel. I don't like fishing in crowds and not putting the wood to fish. My 9 weighs an armbreaking 3/16th of an oz. more than my 8. Not quite a deal breaker for me.
     
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/19 18:40:08 (permalink)
    Yup you are an A+ hole with that nine, why not a 10 ? LMAO.. I tried a 9 , my friends (you included) fish a 9 and at times I wouldn't mind a nine.. But fact is I only have 8's so that is what I been using all these years without a problem..
    If you got or want to buy a heavier rod then all good. I do the dual purpose thing and use the 8 for everything from pike to salmon, it just works for me without adding yet another rod..
    I did buy 2 - 7wt's just for browns 2 years ago and still not broke them out.. This year for sure..
    Maybe I'm the ahole ? .. lol..
    I have far too many fly rods already 4-8wt's, 2-7wt's, 2-6wt's, 2-5wt's, 3-4wt's & a stupid spey..
    Not even going to list the spinning rods..
    If the wife only knew, I already hid the new simms waders that came today..

    post edited by hot tuna - 2011/10/19 19:13:36

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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/19 19:22:38 (permalink)
    Actually, tune, I like my 8 xp, and that's the first time I've had them 9's  out in quite  awhile. That Winston weighs less than most  8 's and feels like handling a 7. It also lightened my wallet by an equal  weight in c notes. Like I said I traded Camels for Winstons.   I stopped rewarding myself once I hit 5 yrs. stopped.  I think I feel like a cigarette..... hmmmm   A 10' 8 wt. B2X might just kill the urge a bit.  It's time for the 7 wt. now, anyway.  Next year.   Oh yeah, I had a 10 I had for hauling stripers up on the rocks. I sold it to a guy in Kenai for kings. He got skunked this season- thank God I got rid of that dog.......  I had one before that I foisted off on a TVA dam  striper guy... NO MORE 10's.
    Charlie
     
    I'm glad you mentioned the Simms. If I run out of the right flies and you got some - just remember- I'll tell. 
    post edited by fichy - 2011/10/19 19:27:21
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/19 19:55:15 (permalink)
    I do trad fish an 9' 8wt---thinkin bout going to a 10-11' to help w/ mends and a little more leverage--I fish close to some rocks and heavy water alot---if they hit the fast stuff--they're pretty much gone.

    Steel on a pin---so easy a caveman can do it.
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/20 17:15:41 (permalink)
    Metal, I've always used 9'ers  until I got a deal (1/2 price) on a discontinued  Grey's X-Flite 11' 7 wt. from Melinda. It's got a single hand grip,not even a switch ,  so I think most people hate it. Hey, it ain't heavy to me.   That extra length is a huge help in mending  . You can also  put the wood to them and have a little  more buffer against the dreaded snap. I think I will look for or build a 10' 8 for next shark season.
     
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    RE: Did I do OK 2011/10/20 17:40:45 (permalink)
    fichy, as we were talkin and knowing your size I think you should build that 10' or even a
    10'-6" 9wt.. seriously !! You are 100% right that extra " gives a better mend.. When I got an 8' 6" I was so grateful for the little bit extra.. However, not so for the LONG 13' rods..
    You are a smart & experienced fisher and I'm sure know what is right..

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