ORIGINAL: wade alexander

please its a joke...many portions of rivers and streams are pretty inaccessible. unless you got a machette or float it and get out along the way, occasionally carrying your canoe or kyak.

all your really stating man is yea we cater to the "fly guys" which is cool just why dont they buy a different tag or fish on private property;)

isnt nothing against you man i just dont agree with the regs. its discussed in many states/forums, with the same bs answers and all goes back to the same deal. theres money to be made pleasing pple and screwing others... isnt a big deal to me but pretty clear to see

I sure as he11 hope you don't cosider me a BIG MONEY FLY GUY..

I'm poor as a pauper...


Why all the animosity towards other fisherman who just use different tackle ?? Will never understand that...

all i can say is, The most non-littered and ethical waters I have ever fished seem to be that way because of the fisherman and the respect given toward one another while on them.  Funny how fish hold in these places all year (for the most part), and the bank isn't covered in hot dog wrappers, unless kyler was there, and broken beer bottles.  i could drone but I am getting some good rest off and L

i love the personal attacks man, is classy.

the topic was about gulp ect... all i said was the artificial only areas are bs anyhow because its just catering to fly guys. which is all it is.  you can believe whatever you want

i dont deny that there are some up sides to it as people have said

is what it is

ive fished several dhal areas with spinning gear and enjoy not having to bypass large sections of water where bait fisherman are camped drowning worms, maggots ect. As for fly fishermen being snobs i dont agree one bit ive had numerous fly guys offer me a fly to try and tell me how to do it on a spinning rod when i wasnt catching fish and they were.

ORIGINAL: mohawksyd

You're digging your heels into the notion that fly guys are the sole beneficiaries of DHALOs and it simply isn't true.

Delayed Harvest, Artificial Lures Only waters DON'T "cater" to fly guys. Anyone who wants to leave the mealworms and Powerbait at home and try their hands at artificial lures can fish them. This includes fly fishermen, but it does not exclude spin guys. The exclusion is the bait, not the fisherman. The Delayed Harvest goal is self explanatory, and the Artificial Lure Only mandate is a complimentary adjunct of achieving that goal.

The topic was Gulp and whether or not it constitutes an artifical lure. You turned it into a weak referendum on how "fly guys" are being given preferential treatment vis-a-vis DHALO areas, threw in the obligatory "fly snob" comment, and insisted that DHALOS were established for the exclusive use of fly fishermen who bought their way into precluding spin guys from fishing a stretch of water. Patently false.

By your own admission, you don't fish for trout that much. You clearly don't fly fish. If you did either (with much less emphasis on the latter), you might better appreciate the special regulation areas for what they are. Quite frankly, unless and until you do, you're just a clanging gong. Go find a local DHALO and snap a rooster tail to the end of your swivel...maybe you'll feel differently. Just don't pin it all on fly guys...that's a losing argument.

This from a guy who fished DHALOs LONG before he ever picked up a fly rod.

Yep

As one of the aforementioned 'catered-to' fly guys, I'd like to offer that 90% of the trout water that I consider to be top-notch trout fishing isn't designated by any sort of special reg. at all. In fact, many of these designated areas are essentially 'spot burned' by the PFBC. Most of the best fishing isn't in a CRFFO, DHALO, ATCR, or any other abbreviation, but instead there's limited access, meaning that to get there, you have to get away from the parking lots, restrooms, signs, mowed grass, and even the well worn dirt trails. Coincidentally enough, in my experience, this also means getting away from the balled up 30# mono, empty worm tubs, salmon egg jars, mealworm sawdust, hook packages, and wal-mart bags.

Does this mean that the presence of bait-dunkers ruins the fishing? Not strictly, but the absence of the careless ones definitely improves it.

Does this mean that bait-dunkers are the only careless morons in the outdoors and that all fly guys are eco-conscious saints? Not at all...but when was the last time you saw a parking area littered by leader packages, empty tippet spools, and Gink bottles?

I think the 'special regs are unfair' argument is nothing more than sour grapes ranting by those too stubborn (or too lazy) to search for their trout or change up their methods. Nobody tells you that you aren't allowed to tie on a spoon and hit a DHALO. You'd just rather sit at home and complain about how unfair the world is than to get out there and catch some fish.

Fact is, just like the taxes you pay are no longer your money once you send it to the government, likewise your license fees are no longer your own money once you send it to the PFBC. If they decide to take their money and buy trout to stock in special regs areas, those aren't your trout. Just like there are regulations for regular trout water (you aren't allowed to net them, poison them, shock them, etc.), there are regulations on DHALOs and CRFFOs. I dont hear ANYONE complain that they're not allowed to use gill nets in ATWs, even if that IS their preferred method. They just grab their rod and reel and hit the water, agreeing to comply by the rules of the waters they choose to fish. Likewise if the water is a DHALO or CRFFO, you're still very much allowed to fish it, just comply with the rules.

...and once you DO make the decision to take up a fly rod and leave the knucle-dragging mouth-breathers at the parking lot...

...you can come back and thank the uber fly snobs for enlightening you.

ORIGINAL: Cold

As one of the aforementioned 'catered-to' fly guys, I'd like to offer that 90% of the trout water that I consider to be top-notch trout fishing isn't designated by any sort of special reg. at all. In fact, many of these designated areas are essentially 'spot burned' by the PFBC. Most of the best fishing isn't in a CRFFO, DHALO, ATCR, or any other abbreviation, but instead there's limited access, meaning that to get there, you have to get away from the parking lots, restrooms, signs, mowed grass, and even the well worn dirt trails. Coincidentally enough, in my experience, this also means getting away from the balled up 30# mono, empty worm tubs, salmon egg jars, mealworm sawdust, hook packages, and wal-mart bags.

I agree with this. Lets face, the best places to catch trout are also places that the PFBC hasnt been labled. As a matter of fact, a lot of them don't even show up on higbee maps and so forth. And no one is stopping anyone from using worms or flies or anything else to catch fish on these streams.