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RE: MORE ABOUT SUNDAY HUNTING 2011/10/07 16:00:10 (permalink)
you can't make the claim that it is off by 26-28% for current years.


Actually, within a percent or three I can. It is a function of the reporting rate during gun season as compared to the actual reporting rate during archery/muzzle which does not fluctuate a great deal statewide year to year even though both archery and gun do fluctuate within WMU's.
It could be better or worse than 26-28% by a small margin year to year but would not vary greatly according to all published research on reporting rates I've read.
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RE: MORE ABOUT SUNDAY HUNTING 2011/10/07 17:21:45 (permalink)
How do you know the archery/muzzy harvest reporting rates have been fluctuating greatly compared to rifle reporting in more recent years?  Do you have the current breakdown of reporting rate for gun vs. archery? 

The archery harvest may or may not be off by 26% for more recent years.  It may be off by 80% or it may be 4%, but you cannot assume things have remained static since the report.  And until the proper data is available you can't draw a conclusion based on speculative information. 

You know as well I do there has been a demographic shift in deer hunters over the last few years.  Less hunters and more rifle hunters exploring the added opportunities of archery(x-gunning) and early muzzy.  X-guns and early muzzy season did not exist at the time of the report.  These are all things that need to be considered.    
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RE: MORE ABOUT SUNDAY HUNTING 2011/10/07 20:52:11 (permalink)
Rather than trying to pick a fight why don't you just do the research yourself. You can start on the PGC website. They have all the data you need.
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RE: MORE ABOUT SUNDAY HUNTING 2011/10/07 21:37:44 (permalink)
I asked a question that is very pertinent to this discussion.  This is a debate in which you made a claim that has not been supported, so now is the time when you provide the data to support your claim.  I am not picking a fight because I asked you to substantiate your assertion

So, is there current data on archery/muzzy specific harvest reporting rates available?  I looked briefly and could not find such information.  If the data exists (which it may) then it should be very easy to form an objective position.


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RE: MORE ABOUT SUNDAY HUNTING 2011/10/08 05:56:22 (permalink)
The reporting rate has historically dropped 1% per year over the last decade per PGC data.
The increase in archery kill as a percent of total kill has increased from about 20% to 30% per PGC data. This means the effect of inflating the total kill is increased.
The research done took data from 10-12 years to form a base and actual comparisons from 2000 and 2001 to determine the accuracy of their assumptions.
Sorry you don't like the data, I don't like their falsifying numbers either but it is what it is.
They could spend the money to do another study in 2011 but then they might have to drop one of their songbird studies.
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RE: MORE ABOUT SUNDAY HUNTING 2011/10/08 17:48:09 (permalink)
The reporting rate has historically dropped 1% per year over the last decade per PGC data


I definitely need a link for that one ...

The average reporting rate last year was 38% for bucks and 34% for antlerless, I can't remember or find anything that is much higher than that unless you go back to the early 1980s....

Recent average rates rates have varied between 32% to 38% according to the PGC folks I talk to ..,

so if your 1% per year were anything near correct that would mean in 2000 the reporting rate would have been 48% and 44% ... I say BULL....
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RE: MORE ABOUT SUNDAY HUNTING 2011/10/08 21:06:57 (permalink)
here's what you wrote ===

The reporting rate has historically dropped 1% per year over the last decade per PGC data


You said NOTHING about just the antlered deer harvest - you stated reporting rate..

Chris wrote = reporting rate for antlered deer has declined about 1% per year during 1990 to 2001 he does not say the last decade which would be 2001-2011 ...

that (1990 - 2001) is NOT the last decade according to my calendars ?????

so as essox mentioned you are posting things from 20 years ago and trying to get someone to believe it is the same today as back in the 80s and 90s...

When I do talk to PGC folks I talk present times.. not ancient history and the reporting rate in the past decade HAS NOT done what you claim AT ALL........... this is 2011 not 2001.....
post edited by Dr. Trout - 2011/10/08 21:08:37
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RE: MORE ABOUT SUNDAY HUNTING 2011/10/08 21:47:58 (permalink)
You just keep on shooting yourself in the foot don't you.

5). Average predicted
reporting rates ranged
from 40 to 46% for
antlerless deer,

I would say that is 43% for a average reporting for doe from 2000/2001
The 2010 reporting rate for doe was 34%
It sure looks like a 1% reduction per year regardless of how you want to spin it

If you want more up to date research on deer I suggest you talk to your friends at the PGC and suggest they spend a bit less time and money on posies and tweety birds and more on the animal that drives the whole agency.

Hell, the formula they currently use for estimating deer numbers was developed in the 1950's. How's that for up to date.

Want more up to date research data from your friends----The Mann part of the Mann-Kendall test they currently use for estimating deer populations was developed in 1945 and the Kendall part in 1975.

It is what it is.
post edited by S-10 - 2011/10/08 22:25:58
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