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2011/09/28 23:52:28 (permalink)

last coupla days

     My friend called Mon at noon and bailed on his one day trip Thursday-- One  PM Monday, hit the road and fished yesterday and today ( tue and wed).
Not one fish on both days. Fished low and mid and high and both fly zones. Tried every fly pattern  and have bought many.
  Saw small numbers fish everywhere ,  but quite frankly the hos and Kings are already very dark and are being pounded by large numbers of guys.  They appear - for the very most part-  fish that came in early and have dribbled on in for the past coupla warm weeks. SPOOKY.
Generally stayed way back from  fish and  can really get out there with that switch.
  If you stand on a run the fish  coming by one at a time and VERY intermittently-  slashers lined up on both sides going nutso at each and every fish.
  Did find unmolested ( at least for a short time) fish in the Bovines and was able to change flies several times on them with no result other than them getting out of the way of the flies.
   Big pools  have porpoising black fish bout 5 pounds all over the place and guys having fits after them. Unusual numbers of those  dark 5 pounders . Small Hos or Jacks ??
Clearly we are in for some big runs with rain or colder weather- It was in the 80s on tues again. Just hope it isnt a washout rain storm.
    Coulda flossed- passed. Not too unusual for September -Shoulda given those early pushes some more attention down low I guess.
       Be back next week- Hey- get together is still on for NOV 4
  BTW - whats with the bobber thing in the fly zones ? NOT indicators but clearly small bobbers- and they are outfishing the non bobber guys 5 to one- not kidding. Those guys are really hooking up big time- all others- pretty much- zippo.
   Worked a bunch of Kings on a bed  for a while with estaz egg sacs in different colors- as well as a number of flies with no luck.  Later 2 guys came over and pounded them with similar flies and bobbers.  Flossing ?  Did note lots of poor hookups with the bobber thing but some gooduns too.
post edited by retired guy - 2011/09/29 10:15:30
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    waDerboy
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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 01:36:01 (permalink)
    Smells like honesty.
    Nice report.
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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 07:19:52 (permalink)
    RT, thanks for the report. Unless this is something brand new , I gotta think what you saw were the large thingamabobbers, which are.... bobbers.  Or maybe people just started using plain ol clip ons. I mentioned in a thread about them they hold up a lot of weight. weight= flossing power.  You can get them fair that way, too, not completely bogus.  It's the way you fish them. I can't blame people for wanting to hook up,  they aren't ripping. It's the standard method in the LFZ for steel. LOTS of foul hooks.Not ideal, but understandable.  I use little weight and change flies until I get response. Makes a difference, I think. Your great days are coming, T. You're due.  I'm planning on the 4th. Honest repoprts are the only ones worth reading. Thanks.
     
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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 07:35:37 (permalink)
    Great report RT, headed to ellis cove lot and working my way down to bovines around 11am, hopefully its raining I think rain keeps the meat wranglers away and calms the fish a bit, swinging the big stuff today.
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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 07:36:58 (permalink)
    Nice report trev; or wait; I think I already told you that
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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 09:01:30 (permalink)
    retired guy. is flossing so bad? I use a fly rod 9wt I've tried several flies type pattern, egg sacs, But i fish those areas were the dark fish pool. , mouth of Trout brook and up and down the river from that area.. and simply I haven't got bit.. the few fish I hook and lost wear on the head area or back, I dont keep my fish I relaese evevyone of them.. I just like a tight line once in while maybe land a few for pictures.. I come up once a year with a friend.. I'm not shucking and ducking with surf rods. but i do wnat to hook a fish or two be it that on the head or mouth.. so I know I don;t get much support on here asking these questions. I fall into the flossing fisherman catagory.. I meant no disrespect to the "fly guys "
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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 09:45:40 (permalink)
    RT - Thingamabobbers - the other white meat...

    Sounds like you got the casting technique down pat - with your description of long distance fly delivery.
    Too bad you aren't fishing New Zealand - the conditions there are more favorable to gentleman-farming.


    10pts - stay away from the dark fish pools - work faster water and floss away - there is nothing wrong with that technique.
    The DEC would not have a problem with it if they were standing right next to you.
    The opinions of everyone else = nill.



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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 09:48:41 (permalink)
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     Flossed for lotsa years-just want to try the fly thing- I kinda enjoy it wether I get a fish or not. Coulda flossed a few but chose to throw flies at them till they ran away.
      Frankly that gonna get old and I'm gonna catch a fish here sooner or later but for now I'll keep tryin the flies. Hos and Steel and other things are strictly flies- just talkin kings here.
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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 09:58:04 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: retired guy

    Coulda flossed a few but chose to throw flies at them till they ran away.


    What does this mean?
    Are you fishing slack water?

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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 10:08:25 (permalink)
    Hi Drake-
     Wherever saw them holding- runs -slack water- pockets ---also blind fished lotsa that same kinda water.
      Like a kid who discovered his best toy- Just like to  make it work the way its supposed to as much as catching a fish. Caught lotsa fishes over the years- enjoy the process a much as the result.
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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 10:44:50 (permalink)
    hard to decipher written interweb words sometimes.

    As long as you have fun RT - its all good, major kudos for your resistance against the tried & true dental-hygenist method..

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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 10:56:09 (permalink)
        Just read all the stuff on both forums and have started to come up with a very factual, detailed, cant go wrong, actual spot on GUESS about the immediate future of fish movement.
      Guys throughout the river generally report slow conditions ( cept the pool slashers)
      DSR and other Pros report great things happening- also the slashers.
    Boat guys fishing the estuary report slow movement with small pods moving about.
      Experienced boat fishers in the Estuary report its not like normal and Figure the warm weather may have moved fishes back into the lake.
    The rain has increased water flow low only bout 4" today -so far -therefore fish in the estuary should move in.
      Therefore predict reports of  fantastic record breaking HUGE TREMENDOUS PREVIOUSLY UNHEARD OF Runs today and tomorrow.

    The scarey version--Since its been mostly Hos and Steel comin in with  unusual low percentage of Kings- Remember the drought?- this is them.

      On the brighter side-except for the higher comparative percentage of Hos the numbers as yet are NOT abnormal. Who knows maybe it means there are more Hos coming this year than ever?
    post edited by retired guy - 2011/09/29 11:32:27
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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 11:35:16 (permalink)
    RT

    This is from a year ago.....

    REPORTS, HECK JUST GO FISH - 9/25/2010 11:05:17 AM

    OldSalt







    All I can say is after 20+ years, and many members on this board much longer, of fishing the SR, come the first week of Sept., you really do not need a report to know that there are fish in the river.

    Remember the days of no reports, wish we had those back again.

    A " Fishing on Fire" report is only as good as the section you are in and will differ daily and hourly along the river. The DSR is the first section the fish enter, they are hot and "dumb", and attack virtually anything, plus the fact of the DSR being patrolled with a lot more eyes to see whats going on with fish activity.

    Once these fish leave the DSR they've seen a lot and smartened up, not to mention that they then enter the Black Hole and either hunker down or dissappear in the many miles of the river system. In the DSR you can see them coming, not many other places on the River quite like that, so a great day in the DSR could just be average or less than average anywhere else. But then, what is average ?, only depends upon your expectations.

    With that said, I think that if everyone just went fishing and fished for these fish like trout, they would all have great days. Isn't hooking up with 2-4, 20+ lb fish good enough ? If your fishing right, you'll have great, long, fights with 2-4 fish, instead of a quick hook-up and a loud snap.

    I've encountered so many spoiled fisherman on the River and fisherman that are standing around waiting for a few hundred fish to swim by so they can flail there #2 streamers at them. The days are coming, and are here, of less fish, so you need to be a smarter fisherman and adapt.

    Sure it's nice occasionally to be in the right spot, the right day, and have fish swimming by you all day, but on those days my 7 year old daughter and my 95 year old Dad can catch fish as well as anyone.

    Everyday from Sept. on, you can catch fish, just think like a fish, look at the water, the lies and downsize. Less weight is the best technique going if you really want to be successful. I mean way less weight.

    The last few weeks, good or bad reports, I still catch fish everytime, and enjoy catching fish right in front of guys who say the fishing is slow or the run hasn't happened yet.

    Anyway, just my thoughts and would love to fish with anyone here and enjoy a great day on the river, as a matter of fact I cannot remember a bad day on the SR.

    Tight Lines,

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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 11:49:01 (permalink)
    Agree  Salt
       Matter of fact  did downsize my flies to about 10s as soon as the spooky fish started looking frightened of the larger ones. My smaller winter Steel stuff wasnt with me -next time. Went to darker colors too cept for the estaz eggs.
        This is kinda normal for this time of year anyhow. Everyone starts lookin for  August fish and starts thinking this  is late- actually its still early in the season. IMHO.
        Gotta get a kick out of the report stuff though and have fun with it- kinda like a  sport in and of itself.
         Gettin on is comical- my grankids are now all older than your daughter- ahhhh gotta just keep fishin till they throw dirt on ya.
    post edited by retired guy - 2011/09/29 11:52:09
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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 11:56:34 (permalink)

    might be fishin the SR next week, if your up for putting some miles in to find some quiet water...you're welcome to come along..

    pm me....

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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 12:06:33 (permalink)
    Thanks Salt- might get a day or two next week- week after up all week with my wife- GOLF fish GOLF fish
    post edited by retired guy - 2011/09/29 13:04:37
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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 12:21:35 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: retired guy

    Thanks Sale- might get a day or two next week- week after up all week with my wife- GOLF fish GOLF fish


    RT - if you never catch another fish up there - or even fish, I'm still deeply envious of your RT status. You made it through the far door of the rat race maze.







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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 13:05:58 (permalink)
    Needed that Drake- was kinda knockin the Golf part- after your post kinda had to sit back and take a moment.
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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 13:31:03 (permalink)
    RT, great report even if the catching was not so..
    Think it's becoming a broken record from me by now but here goes again:
    There are 2 ways I have had the most success with catching salmon:
    1. Fish first entering the river, hence why I buck up and pay to play..
    2. Once salmon start digging & are on the Spawing redds..
    Everything else is tough, not impossible but tough .. WB showed us it can be done..

    If you are fishing the ACTIVE redds then you must Pizz them off with big but not flashy natural looking flies.. What has worked well then are crayfish patterns, large buggers or very LARGE stones.. I'm pretty sure those subdued color bunny leeches would work also..
    It's just now days I'm looking for trout at that time..

    It's great to hear the switch is working out well but lets hear about that screeming reel and how it performs too.
    The 4th is perfect for me.

    Todays Pike & muskie trip was washed out as we had torrent rains all night into mid morning so it's a house work day today..

    Peace & Tuna


    "whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 13:41:51 (permalink)
    Bobbers help line the fishes. That's why some don't use them.

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    RE: last coupla days 2011/09/29 14:38:40 (permalink)
       Salmo
      Thats what I figured Salmo- have some at my place and tried them last winter- now I leave them for the grandkids to use on chubs.

     Hey Tuna
       Thats what was startin to happen - ya know with the beds - the Salmon are startin to make their nests and drop eggs-not too many but here and there -watched some breeding  for a while- was very jealous. Also saw some dead spawned out ones too- time for fresh stock to come in.
      Agree bout the bucks for DSR and fresh ones- guess the next trip will be down there for a coupla days.
      Actually cant wait- passed for other reasons this trip. Was gonna go there Wed and Thurs AM but got mad at some BS (  story-that wont be repeated here) ended up bugging out Wed nite. MISTAKE -good DSR run this AM - sometimes your supposed to eat your pride- cant do it.

     
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