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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/09/22 21:11:48
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Loomis another great build.
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/09/23 10:29:37
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VERY NICE! I will someday have you build something for me!
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/09/23 10:57:14
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Thats pretty sweet...I like the simplicity of the all black wrap and gunmetal colored guides/butt. Nice look. I was kinda suprised at the line rating on that rod though....4-8lb....seems light ( or is it underrated?)whats the guy fishing for and where?
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/09/23 11:19:38
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Paul
This guy was bent on keeping this rod as light as possible, hence the graphite seat, all natural handle and minimal wraps. The guides are Fuji TYSG titanium guides starting in the float arrangement of 20-16-12-10-8-8L including the tip, the guides on this rod alone were almost as much as some rods cost full.
This rod is rated 4-8 lb, no mistake there, however I would not consider this rod a true ultra-light as it exhibits more of a fly rod curve to it when bent. This fella is fishing exclusively for steelhead on the SR and Niagara rivers.
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/09/23 11:35:23
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/09/23 11:49:19
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Thank you for the kind words, I will turn those into motivation for all the rods I have coming up. As far as what you have said, I respect your sentiments. But, being a builder, I am open to my customers suggestions and make it my job to make what they want regardless of what I actually think. The only thing I will not accommodate are straying from my build practices that I have developed, as far as finish and assembly protocol. The factory rods you have mentioned are nice and I am sure they work, but there are corners cut on the factory Pin rods out there (i.e. Raven & St. Croix put 13 guides on their 15 foot rods as opposed to the normal formula of one guide per foot plus tip) that some do not find desirable. This rod is exactly what this customer requested for his particular needs. You would be surprised just how much Arse this rod has, it has an .500 butt section and will easily put the whooping on a fish in high water. I'd never consider having a 15 footer unless in lived in NY, but who am I to question  ?
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/09/23 12:14:07
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/09/23 12:48:38
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ORIGINAL: ShutUpNFish
Right now my set up rides in the back of my truck bouncin' around day after day.
Some of the guys I have made rods for do the same thing unfortunately, others I know wont do that with an ugly stick. I'd suggest another method though!  As far as the other stuff goes, ill follow up with you via FB if you don't mind.
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/09/25 19:03:21
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What kind of price tag is on a rod like that. I don't want a 15 footer but I wouldn't mind a 13' cts with a heavier line rating. You can pm me if you want.
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/09/25 20:13:42
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/09/27 21:50:35
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what's wrong scott,having a hard time casting across 20 mile? With a 15',just point the rod and drop the float.
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/09/27 22:07:53
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Well he will need a new rod for all the trips to the Catt we are going to have this fall.
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/09/28 06:41:11
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ORIGINAL: mxdad66
what's wrong scott,having a hard time casting across 20 mile? With a 15',just point the rod and drop the float.
No I'm not having a hard time casting across 20. I just want a 13 footer with some balls. The St. croix I have just doesn't have the balls that the wild river has.
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/09/30 22:58:20
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Dude, seeing this makes me want to build that 15' Avid I have sitting here! I just can't justify the $175+ for the guides right now. Actually, I want to use the K-frames on it and they would run about an additional $10.
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/01 12:07:26
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lare rainshadow blanks american-made? No, Rainshadow blank models RX6 thru RX8 are made in China. The discontinued RX8+ was manufactured by St. Croix for Batson. CTS blanks are made in New Zealand.
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/01 14:01:31
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I think the Rainshadow blanks are some of the best for the $. They are a bunch of left coast steelie guys and they know what makes for a good salmon/steelhead blank.
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/01 20:23:36
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/02 08:42:43
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I don't understand the warranty issue. I cant tell you how many times I just call Batson, strip the components off of the blank, send it back and a new one in is in the mail. Who sent it in for you? You need to deal with someone that deals directly with Batson Enterprises themselves. You should have let me know about that one.
As far as quality for the money for salmon and steelhead, I stand by Batson Enterprises 100% and am happy to deal and build with their stuff.
As far as loomis goes, they used to be my favorite factory rods, however after selling out to Shimano you can tell the quality has gone downhill.
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/02 09:54:25
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ORIGINAL: coldfront
i have heard nothing but good stuff about them always. just curious.
Yes, they are quite nice blanks for the money and there are so many different styles and lengths to choose from.
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/02 10:03:02
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I had an IST custom....Sold it to a f=good buddy and gave him ALL of the paperwork...Well the tip broke on him and they would not warranty the rod which is claimed to be lifetime. Bunch of up front BS from alot of these companies. Also Had a Loomis endorsed/backed Frontier....so called "Lifetime" warranty, but when the time comes, they don't man up and honor their false claims....I will NEVER buy another Loomis or Batson product. I know I didn't mention that to you Adam, but I probably won't go that route for on a rod...My IST was a little too heavy for my liking anyway.
IMO, Loomis will be made in China real soon too.
Paul I sent that blank back to Batson..... It was evident that Timmys Dog had jumped on it The scratch marks up and down the blank were evidence.... and they sold me the replacement tip way below wholesale The major cost of that whole deal was shipping an oversized rod to Washington and Back.... If I remember the tip section cost somewhere in the 25 dollar range..... shipping was more then that.. I would have to dig the slip pout to be sure.... Batson does have a good warranty and they will stand behind it 100%...... if there is a defect in the product...
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/02 10:38:40
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ORIGINAL: ShutUpNFish
I had an IST custom....Sold it to a f=good buddy and gave him ALL of the paperwork...Well the tip broke on him and they would not warranty the rod which is claimed to be lifetime. Bunch of up front BS from alot of these companies. Also Had a Loomis endorsed/backed Frontier....so called "Lifetime" warranty, but when the time comes, they don't man up and honor their false claims....I will NEVER buy another Loomis or Batson product. I know I didn't mention that to you Adam, but I probably won't go that route for on a rod...My IST was a little too heavy for my liking anyway.
IMO, Loomis will be made in China real soon too.
Paul I sent that blank back to Batson.....
It was evident that Timmys Dog had jumped on it The scratch marks up and down the blank were evidence.... and they sold me the replacement tip way below wholesale The major cost of that whole deal was shipping an oversized rod to Washington and Back.... If I remember the tip section cost somewhere in the 25 dollar range..... shipping was more then that.. I would have to dig the slip pout to be sure....
Batson does have a good warranty and they will stand behind it 100%...... if there is a defect in the product...
lmao...For the money those Batson/Rainshadow blanks can't be beat. Warranty is as good as it gets if you ask me...IF there is a defect in their product...
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/02 10:44:13
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Hmmmm interesting....backbone must be pretty decent then...especially to fight fish in those high flow systems.
I don't know why some guys are so hell bent on such light rods...I realize that holding that rod all day wears on you, but I just don't trust some of those highly strung graphites, just not enough justification for me to get into a 500 or 600+ dollar rod to save an ounce or two. The rods I use are practical and do the job....you may disagree, but for me, the reel is way more important than the rod. I have a bunch of rods, but the the two main ones I use are my Browning 6 Rivers 11'6" for Erie and bigger flows, I have a 13' St Croix Avid (the old blank)...
With that said....I may just have you build me a purdy rod someday ...you do some nice work.
If you ever fish a 15' float rod with a 5 1/4" pin on real big water all day, then you will understand why guys are so hell bent on such light rods....couldn't lift my right arm after one salmon excursion last year
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/02 11:25:47
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/02 11:46:10
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/02 14:49:55
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holding that rod on big water all day will give any angler some aches..I wouldn't have thought so either until I started doing it
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/02 14:53:56
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Loomis, beautiful work by the way...have you ever tied a michigan twist?
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/05 00:32:03
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Adam,
Nice work, man.
I had a 15'er built a long time ago. It too has solid titanium guides. Hell, the guides on the butt section alone cost as much as today's St.Croix sleds.
If I could find a 17' or even 18' rod...
18,
Still trottin' the big water? Atta boy. Let me know when you are gonna be in town next.
SUNF,
Once you have some more 'pin experience, you'll understand what 18 was sayin'. Seriously. There is ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON to the rods you mentioned. Not even in the same universe.
Ironhed
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/05 08:31:10
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RE: CTS 15' Centerpin Build
2011/10/05 09:47:47
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If I could find a 17' or even 18' rod...
Talon makes a 17' float blank. As far as I know, they are the only company that makes a float blank that long.
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