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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/20 18:32:56
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The kings very well may run later because their food base has changed, which introduces new proteins and can cause genetic variation.  Charlie
your comment about food base makes me wonder why the powers that be continue to ramp up the Atlantics stocking program - given the Thiamine deficiencies from their diet that are their downfall. (maybe the gobies will save them???)
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/20 19:42:57
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Retired genetic engineering had most to do with the corn and apples.
As for humans all those growth hormones we pump into the meat we eat may play a bit of a roll.
The only thing we added to the lake was dioxin and mirex and while they are forever they are not particularly helpful for growth or long life.
Thanks Charlie this is a good thread. Makes a guy think.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/20 20:02:48
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Knew somebody was gonna say that bout the veggies and stuff but it was just an example of 10 generations- BTW where did all the waste water full of all those chemicals go did some get in the lake?
They can actually do a waste water check today and tell ya what the illegal drug of choice is in your community. BTW most of the cleaning mechanisms we use DO NOT remove that stuff from the CLEAN waste treatment discharge.
New findings and stuff that they ARE GONNA start doing- -leading to new treatment plants in many places in the near future (bigger bills too).
How many tanks drip into the rivers? Any canoe guy going through a urban area in Summer can tell ya- LOTS.
GOREy enough --to 'have impact'.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/20 20:11:31
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Hooker Chem over Buff way was dumping them straight into the lake.
I have been told that years of sediment covering them is our best hope.
They work there way up the food chain and once they enter your body they never leave only continue to poison you every time you take them in from something you eat.
I believe that was the settlement that the fin clipping wagon was paid for with.
They sold property to the city and towns for schools and playgrounds which had leaking 50 gallon drums in shallow holes.
Sweet bunch of butt muncher they were.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/20 20:17:31
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Yea when they tell ya to limit your intake of fish meals - ya know the deal ( hijack complete???)
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/20 20:19:18
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They can actually do a waste water check today and tell ya what the illegal drug of choice is in your community. I respectfully call BS on that one RT. Do some reading, LEGAL PHARMACUTICALS that a good deal of America are LEGALLY ADDICTED TO are screwing up marine life downsteam. Don't forget to take your Pills, d00ds. meanwhile, I'm stepping out 4 a smoke... 
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/20 20:21:21
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A friend says you can make a turd taste alright if you smoke it good.
The worst of the chem is in the belly fat.
Be sure you only use the heart of the fillet if you are going to smoke one of those swimming turds.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/20 20:25:57
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True fact Drake- we had our Pub Works comitee involved in a recent multi million dollar (Bout 25) rehash of the waste treatment plant and this stuff was on the agenda for near future add ons. Probably gonna hit bout 40 with all the new add ons AND GORE STUFF. BTW-wader- I aint smokin it-hey how bout that guy on TV who drank waste water cause he said he could make it so pure- idiot- lip smackin good I bet. Probably told him it smelled that way cause it was Pulaski water fulla minerals LOL.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/20 20:33:16
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I'm on a private well and septic system surrouded by Pa State Game Lands. I'll take my chances with bear crap. Enjoy your public utlitity bills. Make sure you pill poppers (not you RT - the other pill poppers  ) C&R all the feesch you catch then go home and pee in the john and flush so the froggies can grow 5 freaken legs and the feesh turn bi-sexual...
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/20 20:35:36
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Hardly a hijack, just a good segue. Dirty lake and dirty river equals bad fish and no one giving a crap. We obviously do, and whatever conversation we have about it only informs and enlightens . Because I didn't fish to the west (went east over Retired's way. REALLY enjoyed talking stripers with him  ) , I didn't pay attention to water quality issues in Lake Ontario. Now I'm interested and learning more and more. This thread is a big help. Hijack away. I'm very familiar with the sediment capping solution. I live near ,and fish heavily on , the section of the Hudson the Govt. has the world's largest dredging project on. The PCB's for the greater part, have been capped with decades of sediment and were rendered harmless, so the re-suspension through the dredging has been ridiculous. I'll have to do some research on what WB mentioned. More things to think about. Charlie
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/20 20:38:01
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The salmons have better taste below the Black Hole--especially after a heavy rain event (they get a special marinade).
post edited by metalslayer - 2011/09/21 05:27:20
Steel on a pin---so easy a caveman can do it.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/20 20:45:54
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Hardly a hijack, just a good segue. Dirty lake and dirty river equals bad fish and no one giving a crap. We obviously do, and whatever conversation we have about it only informs and enlightens . Because I didn't fish to the west (went east over Retired's way. REALLY enjoyed talking stripers with him) , I didn't pay attention to water quality issues in Lake Ontario. Now I'm interested and learning more and more. This thread is a big help. Hijack away. I'm very familiar with the sediment capping solution. I live near ,and fish  heavily on , the section of the Hudson the Govt. has the world's largest dredging project on. The PCB's for the greater  part, have been capped with decades of sediment and were rendered harmless, so the re-suspension through the dredging has been ridiculous. I'll have to do some research on what WB mentioned. More things to think about.
Charlie
Fichy - to a certain extent, the Clean Water Act was detrimental to the Great Lakes with the reduction of phosphate discharges - crystal clear water = no microplankton base for small critters that bigger critters eat. Toss in the Zebra mussels you have a moonscape lake bottom. One thing 4 sure - Mankind has always/will always totally screw up anything it touches.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/20 21:41:37
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one night almost went straight into the woods by the pineville bride on my way back to Brenda's.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/20 21:47:01
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Charlie where do you live Im in stillwater
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 03:44:28
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ORIGINAL: draketrutta
I'm on a private well and septic system surrouded by Pa State Game Lands. I'll take my chances with bear crap.
Enjoy your public utlitity bills.
Make sure you pill poppers (not you RT - the other pill poppers) C&R all the feesch you catch then go home and pee in the john and flush so the froggies can grow 5 freaken legs and the feesh turn bi-sexual...
If I ever have to go back on 'THE PILL' I'll worry about the hermaphricdite froggies. Thank god I'm married again and don't have to worry about getting preggers any more.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 03:57:17
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Fichy this thread alone is why I have tried to rekindle the flame in Lucky13, ask Tuna about him,
He and his wife have worked as techs and biologists for the county pure water agency for 20+ years.
He could give you a doctoral thesis on this ****e.
He did a study on birds eating the dead salmon and bringing the chems into whole new environments.
Luckily not in amounts that were high enough to worry about, but interesting to think about no less.
Also did the first study on how the zebra mussels were getting upriver beyond where the tankers bilbe would be.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 05:24:34
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Back on topic--salomon--less fish less peeps---interweb and bobbers ruined the steelie fishin.
Steel on a pin---so easy a caveman can do it.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 05:30:02
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What the **** is a topic?
I thought this was a discussion board.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 05:48:21
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I'd like to see the sauce rekindled! Almost caused a murder 1 yr---Nahm was 2 ashamed to tell u---1 day he gets home and goes for the sauce--his wife said oh that stuff in the little jar--it was just sitting there so I threw it out.
Steel on a pin---so easy a caveman can do it.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 07:23:22
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Charlie where do you live Im in stillwater
Cambridge. Stillwater is one of my favorite places. The floods did some damage (all that cinder that washed in from the old pit) , but still fishing ok. I posted some smallies I got in the pics thread a few months ago, they were from my yak out on the shoals. If you ever see a yellow yak out there, it's probably me. I fish Coveville, alot, too. Charlie
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 08:54:36
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Fichy this thread alone is why I have tried to rekindle the flame in Lucky13, ask Tuna about him,
He and his wife have worked as techs and biologists for the county pure water agency for 20+ years.
He could give you a doctoral thesis on this ****e.
He did a study on birds eating the dead salmon and bringing the chems into whole new environments.
Luckily not in amounts that were high enough to worry about, but interesting to think about no less.
Also did the first study on how the zebra mussels were getting upriver beyond where the tankers bilbe would be.
hey wader boy forget about the birds. think of all of the dead carcasses that get washed down every year. It's not like the toxins disappear when the fish dies; all of the other smaller bait fish and salmonoids eat the flesh and carcass meet. Any carcass or flesh not eaten will just dissipate and deposit it toxins as the biological matter disintegrates. I'm no biologist but common sense alone could let anyone know that the lake is being polluted at an exponential rate.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 09:01:44
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new studies are finding that alot of the synthetic organic chemicals are causing damage in such small amounts we couldn't even measure them 5 years ago...also they are finding that eating the toxin might not affect the direct consumer, but instead the harmful affects are passed down to their offspring and later generations so along with the metals that have been an issue for 40+ years, now we have whole new classes of chemicals to worry about along with all the synergistic affects of them being found together in nature bottom line...all things in moderation, you gotta die from something
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 09:38:07
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DB that has always been the way it was known to work.
First the plankton, then the smelt- alwives that eat them, Then the fish, be it waleye,perch or salmonid and then on to what ever eats them,caught on a hook or carcass in the rocks.
This study determined that the effects were found over 50 miles from any source of the contamination.
It was to find if the problem was significent enough that it might enter the wildlife food chain in areas never consideed before.
Dead bird eaten by coon,or fox.Eventualy getting into the soil and being passed to animals eating the vegitation,bunnies, deer things like that.
Was there going to have to be warnings for hunters consuming their kills?
As I said it was found to be in small enough amounts that it was considered no problem. But it is happening.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 09:46:31
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Gotchya waderboy; you know what; I guess itseems like a worthwhile studyto drop millions in to... but in reality; we pollute so much on a daily basis that everyone just turns a blind eye too... im not gonna elaborate; but anyone can use their imagination...
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 09:58:12
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I get a bit tired of folks who dwell on tiny bits of pollution and go bonkers- its real life today and we gotta deal with it. for the most part it was caused a hundred years ago by folks who truely didnt know ny better. The upsetting thing to folks is the methods of detection have gotten to the point where we are now seeing stuff that has always been there but we didnt know it. At least in Urban areas there is an effort to filter it out and remove it from the ecosystem by treatment plants- in the rural areas this stuff goes right into the ground and is not recovered. Have no idea what any answer to all this may be.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 10:02:07
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if you want I can show you some spots on the river grew up on it and know a little about it.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 10:09:22
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That was my point exactly rt; thumbs up for having your goggles on this morning
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 10:32:28
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I get a bit tired of folks who dwell on tiny bits of pollution and go bonkers- its real life today and we gotta deal with it. for the most part it was caused a hundred years ago by folks who truely didnt know ny better.
The upsetting thing to folks is the methods of detection have gotten to the point where we are now seeing stuff that has always been there but we didnt know it.
 At least in Urban areas there is an effort to filter it out and remove it from the ecosystem by treatment plants- in the rural areas this stuff goes right into the ground and is not recovered.
Have no idea what any answer to all this may be.
Mid late 70s is not quite hundreds of years ago. They knew exactly what they were doing. The head in the sand is probably best. What could go wrong. Maybe your community wouldn't be spending so much money on treatment plants if people had cared earlier.
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 10:48:38
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Agree for the most part but new technology is rapidly changing the whole picture right now discovering trace stuff we didnt suspect even a decade ago. When we started the new plant it was bout an 18 mil project- few yrs ago in planning- since then with new tech discovering stuff that has always been there and nobody knew it- along with rapidly changing 'acceptable levels'- the price has doubled and we have had 3 'upgrades' during construction and we are aware of at least one upcoming upgrade mandate in the next coupla years. All equal to millions of mandated expenditures. As they 'FIND' stuff there are mandates to controll it and its COSTLY to say the least. Unfortunately its NOT new stuff so we have been living with it right along unknowingly. You would be amazed at the prescription drug thing in the water & how costly its gonna get to eliminate that stuff as only one example-. My point was that those things are in the rural leach field system too The Urban system is addresing them cause of municipal sewer systems. Answer - dont know---cept to say its here with us and probably to a great extent here ta stay. .
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RE: SR on an upward trend
2011/09/21 11:45:50
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Pharm chems are well known.
The hermaphrodite bass in the Potomic have been studied for years.
Is it better to improve technology and look for new pollutent threats or wait til men have tits and women have nuts before we decide to deal with the problem?
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