upriver thoughts?

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2011/09/11 07:40:48 (permalink)

upriver thoughts?

So several of us fished the DSR last week.
We found willing takers mid water column.
They showed a definate preference for largeWhat are your thoughts on flies for use now?
I'm thinking smaller and darker.
Size 8-10 black and chartruse and pink flies.
In my case it was a #4 with an 1 1/2-2, bubble gum pink, inch tail and a cerise cross cut bunny strip wrapped body.

Now the water has dropped, the "run" is now a trickle and the bulk of the fish are upstream.
The fish are not as fresh and have been fished to, lifted,lined and snagged at.
They are more scattered and moving mostly undercover of darkness and holing up as the sun hits the water.

changing to more black and darker as the day goes on.
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    metalslayer
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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/11 07:49:43 (permalink)
    Don't fish up that much----might downsize a bit----but usually will stay bright---sometimes giving them something diff than what they are seeing is the trick.

    Steel on a pin---so easy a caveman can do it.
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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/11 08:12:04 (permalink)
    I imagine there are a handful of trout midriver and up.... smaller darker would definitely be my preference.... although; working on the place or cracking a cold usually prevails during slim times... finding unmolested fish upriver can be tough...
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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/11 08:19:57 (permalink)
    Sounds like steel. When water goes back up I upsize and get brighter. Low and clear and crowded-small  and natural tones.  The fly you described that was a killer was on my line.   Pink estaz eggs worked , too. A fellow above us changed to a pink egg and I netted, removed the fly from the tongue, and congratulated him on his first salmon. Happy camper. So was I. Earlier  that day, HT and I found a small pod and we swung Hot Orange bunny and chartreuse at them. They followed, but wouldn't commit. Pink might have got them.  I know I have a better chance at slammin ,down. It'll be a few years before I have the know-how to get them after running the gauntlet.
    Which do you think a salmon would choose- running through a line of brown bears, or the Town Pool?  I'll say one thing- I'm very happy to catch salmon in the SR and not have to worry about getting eaten myself. 
     
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    waDerboy
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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/11 08:30:04 (permalink)
    Man I just read my post.
    Sure didn't proof read it before.
    Thanks for the input.
    post edited by waDerboy - 2011/09/11 08:31:09
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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/11 09:03:29 (permalink)
    Hey charlie; the key to the upper river is finding open water... which can be very tough in the upcoming weeks. Even ddr can get tough; as most know; after this coming weekend I tend to back off very much...but an angler like yourself should stand a fair chance at an upper river king... I find tailouts/pockets above pool heads or transitional lies in early mornings or late day(almost dark sometimes) are your best bet in upper river...
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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/11 09:21:27 (permalink)
    well as slayer said, I don't fish up river much during salmon season.. Always guided in the dsr..
    For those who chose to fish salmon up then I would fish exactly the same as anywhere else.. Same water, same flies.. Even though these fish have been mauled they still act the same way and continue to fight each other for dominance... Just look at them in beaverdam brook below the raceway, they are fighting like heck with each other and have seen it ALL by then,..
    Find pairs or groups of fish that are holding in a small area until they get pushed out by other fish wanting that space.. Even though they have been in the river a while, it's when those new fish want that space the other holding fish will become aggressive..

    The only time I may go darker or subdued colors is when they are actively spawning/digging.. They don't like having natural invaders in their nest..
    That is the 2nd easiest time to catch them..
    post edited by hot tuna - 2011/09/11 09:22:22

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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/11 10:52:00 (permalink)
    I rarely fish salmon at all.
    It looks like possibly 3 days this year.
    Two more than my average the last decade or decade and a half.
    Usually go up once a year now and am looking for coho mostly on that trip.
    I had my fun with the brutes down low but I won't hit(pay) the DSR again until steelbows are running.

    I have found that fishing the same water types is where its at but finding any that isn't being raked or splatted with a string of 2/0 shot is difficult.
    Most of the time when sight fishing I watch them turn and run from what earlier in the DSR they were running to grab.
    When fishing larger tailouts and runs I get few strikes on the bigger brighter stuff.
    A #8 with a bunny fur tail and body with a flourecent hot spot is about an inch long, big enough with enough glow to attrack their attention but not big and gaudy enough to spook them.


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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/11 15:52:38 (permalink)
         I fish up river most of the time- the trick is to find that one little spot among lotsa outright snaggers and hunters that has fish stop in it to rest up.
       The "hunters' can kill ya. Nothing passes them for 5 minutes and they are out looking and snagging every pocket they can find- outright rude too- they will throw right at your feet while you post up on a likely spot. I no longer carry a gun for a living - thankfully.
       Have a couple little spots hat got by the flood waters and the fish come into them just like always. They are little 4 or 5 foot round spots generally a bit deeper than the surrounding gravel that some upward fish gravitate to and hold- sometimes for several minutes before moving on.
         These are in places sometimes surrounded by guys who have overlooked them cause of their size. When I fish them I often make many false long or short casts to hide where I am actually fishing. Gotta try and hide your places up there cause of the crowded conditions.
        Have hooked up and then given slack many times so it looks like they were hooked some distance off just to protect the whereabouts of 'my spots'. It gets different as the season wears on the the crowds diminish. The fish spread nicely and are less prone to just slamming through trying to 'get away'.
      Interesting though when some idiot hunter actually walks UNDER your rod while you are waiting for a fish to wander up to your spot. I accidentially hooked one guys jacket back last year while he did this- many apologies for " my' error.-- Stuff ya think of with no gun.
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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/12 02:40:20 (permalink)
    orange. an I do fish up river.

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    waDerboy
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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/12 05:46:34 (permalink)
    A K I see you lurking?
    Got the time for some good fu?
    Lend a friend some advice.
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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/12 08:02:39 (permalink)
    Hey--
    Heard L/E was upriver the other day all dressed like fishermen and mixing in the follies- till they started pullin guys out and giving tickets.
    GOOD- probably been goin on for a while but I havent seen it for a very long time.
       Hope they proceed to post it on each and every shop door in big letters. -Might help. Kinda like a 'radar ahead' sign.
    Love to see it posted in all the lots too.
      CONGRATS L/E keep up the good work.....
    post edited by retired guy - 2011/09/12 08:03:51
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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/12 08:10:45 (permalink)
    I am all for posting pictures of snaggers on the internet. As close to a mug shot as anyone can get. Just throwing it out there.

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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/12 08:27:31 (permalink)
    Agree Salmo- problem is that most of the guys on these threads ( all threads and forums) arent the guys who need to see it-
     I suppose that LURKERS come around looking for reports before their trips and might think  a big 'top of the page' warning to them bout courtesy and methods might be better placed.
      Something forever in big black letters and short and to the point.
      Hey=every little bit.
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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/12 08:37:19 (permalink)
    Great Idea. I'll get on it tonight. Just finishing up another 12 hours of melting sand and am going nappy soon.

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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/12 12:19:36 (permalink)
    Don't know what the fines are but anything under $300 per violation is too little.They must make it very painfull to get the slobs attention.
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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/12 13:41:55 (permalink)
    Hopefully the fines are combined with a loss of liscence for a year too
       Course L/E could also take the gear as evidence should the guy wanna plead not guilty.
    post edited by retired guy - 2011/09/12 13:43:19
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    RE: upriver thoughts? 2011/09/12 23:19:31 (permalink)

    I fish all over the river...every part of it and I have found that if the water levels are the same...then the fish will react differently in different sections of the river..so if it's low and they are fresh down low..they are aggressive as you would expect and attack most bright flies...then if it's still low as they move up, they smarten up and have seen a lot of flies and a lot of lead and line..you've got to go smaller in fly size and darker(natural)and downsize your tippet as you fish/ move upriver, in the same flow.

    This all changes when you have a freshet or nice releases and the water goes up, they the fish lose their memory and get aggressive again..pretty much like clock work..really just common sense..the lower flows the fish stay down and tight lipped...higher flows and they feel less pressured and go about what they do....making babies, cavorting around and being aggressive. I think the flows really determine their behavior...but they definitely act different in different parts of the river and chase different color/size flies in different parts of the river dependent upon flow.


    by the way Sunday/Monday...super slow fishing everywhere...no matter what anyone tells you...tuesday to be even hotter

    looks like next week will be the ticket...when the first real big run comes this year it looks like it will be huge, as so far its been one small run and little trickles since

    tight lines

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