that was my first ever salmon trip didn't mean it to be anti-snagging just thought i would share a horrible story that never had to happen and you're right poor kid brought tears to my eyes watching his dad carry him back to his car new york don't allow those type of so called lures do they looked like a lead jigging spoon with two trebble hooks on it

Same thing all over- the guys on the other Forum are having this same discussion - changin from flossers to fly guys over time  and all.
Kinda like to hear it- seems to be spreading around.
Sounds nice Tuna but frankly -back in those days had ta save up for the trip and then it was usually a 2 nighter once a year. Used my salt water gear for a long time till working up a decent SR rod and reel ( cheap)- Had a wife in full time College and two kids in  School when I started up here.
A guide was right OUT. Time changes lotsa stuff thankfully.

really ? well I spend most my time here with a quick check on the other sites but , Thats Cool !!
now I gotta go see.. Heck maybe they been lurking here for awhile and the message IS coming through.. lol

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thanks for your input and welcome aboard.. keep up the good work and you'll fit in nice here.. Soon enough you will be finding new fishing partners to share water with..
I'm always willing.

RT, please don’t confuse my simple minded terminology.. lol
when you said "fish" did you mean fishing ? or snagging ? lol..

Who the hell needs 40-50 hook-ups anyway, especially bad hook-ups...yes there are those magical days when it can happen,

right place, right run, right fly...but really I'd bet money on it that if any of those guys were taken aside, shown how it's done and

actually had a few fish eat their fly, they'd be hooked (pardon the pun). Like I've said, all it takes is the right technique and they

would be amazed at how these fish can really fight.

Ya know what ?
Even with the bustin stones and B.S, here.. the other places make me sick..
At least here we can relate..

Now I'm done surfing the salmon sites, done busting stones & done explaining fishing unless asked..
My time will be spent fishing then to hunting/ back to fishing .. .
Be it here there or everywhere, there is so much outdoors yet to come in 2011..
Most know how to contact me , others can pm me if they want to spend a day on the water..

I'll post my reports and photo's..
Have a blast and hope to see folks soon..
Go Catch some fish !!! Ya know Simple Stuff..

My property is 1/4 mile upstream from Columbiaville bridge.. Walk down to stockport creek.. used to fish stripers in 70>80's every night.. some bruiser linesiders & shad hit the freezer then.. now only fish for the schoolies in April on fly .. too crazy like salmon anymore .. I'm in the adk's by may :)

Open water .. Eastern adk's.. Schroon north..
Hard Water.. Western.. Indian lake/ADK and such But Schroon did give us up a 40'er pike this year

Ah yes the on-going debate, I remember being in a bar not far from the tribs and having a fun conversation with a bartender who called my friends and I snaggers because he also was under the premise that salmon don't actually bite.  Funny thing was the tribs we fished had some holes where you couldn't see a single fish yet we would run broken back rapalas and large skeen through the hole and catch them.  It wasn't til a trip with my pops to the salmon river that my perception changed SLIGHTLY.  My father had never been up and I decided to get a guide.  We both were very discouraged when the individual tried to teach the art of flossing.  I definately plan to re-visit the SR but will bring the fly rod that I just purchased as a result of all these conversations (getting back to fly fishing after 8 years) and use various streamers unless I think an egg pattern might work.  I think some of your examples of when you fish trout or any species can be easily applied to the SR, you either try to get them on something more natural and if they aren't interested maybe you move to something that could cause a reactionary strike.  However, if that doesn't work, you move on.  Sometimes, they simply aren't interested, what becomes the game changer in NY is the size of those fish.  There's a local stream not far from me where the sporting club stocks large breaders i.e. browns/rainbows to 24 inches and unfortunately a similar situation unfolds i.e. hook the fish by any means necessary.  I just shake my head and keep moving as even if they catch that fish.  Putting it on the wall in my eyes is a disgrace.  There's no story for when someone goes down to the man-cave and says that's an awesome fish how did you lcatch/land it.  Ultimately, its like you guys said, you have to try different things, see what works and if they aren't interested keep moving.  There's a lot of fish, so the chances you will **** one of them off is I think encouraging.  I always remembered a very simple rule to fly fishing, its all about the color and size.  Doesn't matter how pretty it is and it doesn't matter if it's perhaps the wrong hatch as long as it's close.

they absolutely will bite
i have realized over the years this debate will never end so i don't even try
however i have also realized over those years that once in a while i inadvertantly do floss a fish from time to time
much to the amazement of the 50 lb test bretheren, some of us do release fish when we didn't hook them fairly

i just love fishing for these fish, be it hos kings or steel

the tug is indeed the drug

i'll be up at happy camp saturday if any of you want to stop in and say hi

i don't know where that is but shoot me a pm and i will pop over :)