Trout Beads on the SR

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2011/09/01 17:00:58 (permalink)

Trout Beads on the SR

Let me mention that I have checked the archives and to my surprise I found limited information.  Let me also mention that my intent is not to create an inflammatory discussion on whether or not they should be used.  The question really comes down to whether or not they are legal on the river and surrounding tribs given the bare hook.  I couldn't find anything, but figured that most of you would know best.  Additionally, if they are legal, does anyone know whether you can take it to the next level like pinning two beads i.e. one 10 mm further up the leader.
 
This is my first post so take it easy on me.  A few friends and I plan to go up October 20th for hopefull Steelies, maybe a brown or two and of course mud sharks, we will be fishing various tribs in the area.  Typically we fish egg sacks, pink worms, and skeen, but found a lot of information on beads that simply sparked my curiousity. 
 
Lastly, would a King or Coho give a bead a look, I know some believe that they don't hit and that its mostly lining/snagging, etc..., but I've fished some deep holes on tribs where I couldn't see the bottom and landed a king on an egg fly, of course my buddies were out fishing me with plugs and large gobs of skeen soooo it may not be the best approach on spinning tackle anyhow.  Additionally has anyone tried fishing night crawler, minnows, or even spinners provided the treble hook is switched out.
 
Thanks for your input guys..
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    hot tuna
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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 17:30:26 (permalink)
    Hey Machine welcome and thanks for the question:
    First let me say in 30 some years fishing the SR I have never used a bead method.. I bought some 2 years ago but they still sit un-used in my box.. Now that in no way means they not useful or work to catch fish, it just means I haven’t "broke" them out yet..

    So from my readings and understandings of the current "regs" there are no restrictions to your bare hook/bead question.. I know guys have been doing this in success and it has caused controversy, even in the dec level..
    My advise would be to use one and peg or loop it right at the head of a nymph or small size # 8 bare egg hook.. Why not ? If you really feel the need to keep it away from the hook then just peg/loop it 12" or less and tie a nymph on the end..

    Now to the 2012 NEW proposed regs : In 2012 I would guess the bare hook/length to bead will change to a regulation distance.. Sorry but I don't recall the proposed distance but I believe it was 24" or less..

    Good luck fishing and as always, Pic’s are welcome..

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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 17:35:52 (permalink)
    Oh no, this is a topic for mature, experienced fly fishermen should have every now and then just to ponder the true meaning of life, and the after life too.

    If "All Thumbs" Moses didn't drop and break that third tablet it would be all clear to us mortals here on earth.

    I know for a fact that everyone who enters the military for no matter how long a duration learns the 12th General Order.
    Cover Thy****

    Now getting back to All Thumbs there, if it wasn't for him we would all know for a fact that the 12th Commandment was Thou Shall Not Use Beads.

    Even though you might not know about the 12th, God does, and boy is he going to make you pay.

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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 17:41:25 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: AK Skim

    Oh no, this is a topic for mature, experienced fly fishermen should have every now and then just to ponder the true meaning of life, and the after life too.

    If "All Thumbs" Moses didn't drop and break that third tablet it would be all clear to us mortals here on earth.

    I know for a fact that everyone who enters the military for no matter how long a duration learns the 12th General Order.
    Cover Thy****

    Now getting back to All Thumbs there, if it wasn't for him we would all know for a fact that the 12th Commandment was Thou Shall Not Use Beads.

    Even though you might not know about the 12th, God does, and boy is he going to make you pay.





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    Too funny man, the new guy bustin on the new guy.. All fun welcome here, one knows I bust stones using my heavy hammer..
    I think you’ll fit in nicely but don't just fly south when all the fish die or swim back to the big pond.. I'm a year rounder..

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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 18:02:16 (permalink)
    "Year 'rounder...."

    Good for you.

    Friggin Jar Head.





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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 18:51:15 (permalink)
    Thanks tuna, I was planning of putting a 8 mm bead round 1.5 inches above a size 6 gammi, however read about a double bead rig that apparently captures the attention of chrome (better?) which made me think why not a 10 or 8 mm peach pearl blood dot bead 12 inches up followed by a 8 or 6 mm caramel bead 1.5 inches above a size 8 or 10 gammi.  Who knows, I know for some fly fisherman/pinners, they will be unhappy to know that if I do use beads it will likely be under a float with my noodle rod/spinning outfit.  Hung up the fly rod a few years ago and simply haven't gotten back in to it, since I turned to smallmouth bass and the annual trip to Pulaski.
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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 19:02:47 (permalink)
    hey machine; youre double bead idea sounds pretty deadly... go for it... WHEN i fish floats, i often peg a bead above an egg sack... works awesome... probably would work pretty hot above a maribou tailed fly or egg pattern under a float as well... good luck on your once a year trip...
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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 19:08:36 (permalink)
    Oh and Skim, I had to read your philosophical passage twice to catch your drift.  I may let the moral dilemma play itself out, God will understand.  I may be too busy fishing skeen and egg sacks on some of the other tribs anyhow.  I don't have much faith in a single egg when in comes to a predatious I want to eat my young King salmon.  Like I said I got outfished using egg flies in a deep hole two years ago, so it may be business as usual and switch to sacks if the salmon are MIA or should I say dead...  Never been to Pulaski in late October, typically chrome fishing in mid-November or mud shark fishing in late September, so I'm not sure what to expect.  Trying to prepare for all species, and would really like to get into my first NY Brown...  I suppose I'm doing something wrong...
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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 19:17:07 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info dime, I am considering it.  I know two years ago I picked up those little pink worms from fat nancy's, gave them a shot in a hole that wasn't doing a whole lot and bam two in a row.  Now, I use them from time to time in streams around PA when I'm bored and want to take the ultralight for a walk.  Let me tell yah I wipe the floor with those dumb stocked trout...  Actually the one stream is a delayed harvest, artifical only with a lot of hold overs and you would swear they've never seen a pink worm, and that's probably because they haven't.  I'm not sure if too many of the fly fisherman in that area are using pink san juan worms but they should.  Similarly, I was with a buddy in a bass tournament and sure enough the bubble gum plastics was at least one rod in every boat that day.  Surely, it was the flavor of the week but interestingly none the less.
     
    Trying new things helps with the evolution of learning.  I'm copyrighting that so anyone who uses it will need to pay me royalties.
    Thanks again.
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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 19:18:47 (permalink)
    hey machine, you dont know what youre missing in late october hey, can anyone guess where that is??? TUNA, keep your mouth shut>>>lmao
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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 19:26:37 (permalink)
    Mid to late Oct. is GGRRRREEEEAAAAAT up river- all species are there. Although sometimes the old sharks are all black and dying but new ones will be mixed in too.
    post edited by retired guy - 2011/09/01 19:27:05
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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 19:27:28 (permalink)
    I wish I fished the SR more, we mostly keep to some of the smaller tribs do to such large crowds.  Not too mention the very first time I fished it, my father and I got a guide.  Lets say I was a little disappointed when we got blue beads, threaded the hook, and was told sit in this channel a fish will come by.  Perhaps you can get my gist but certainly I was not expecting that, and when I saw the salmon running for their lives I thought this isn't what I call fishing.  When I asked why translucent blue I was told its harder to see.  Please don't mistaken me for bad mouthing guides or the salmon river.  I go up each year and do a little fishing there but ultimately we take the paths less traveled.  I know that for the most part the guides are great up there, always willing to lend some advice, and obviously if the fishery wasn't what it was, people like myself would stay home or fish the Elk.  I think I just threw up in my mouth saying that...  JOKING!
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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 19:31:35 (permalink)
    Good to hear retired, we booked our place and when I sent an email to my buds I probably sounded like a little kid on his first day of opening buck. 
    I suspect I will be trolling this site continuously until Oct 20th.
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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 20:06:16 (permalink)
    Oct 20th is our anniversary.. Guess where the wife take me every year for the last 26 years.. .. It aint Pulaski but the fishing happens there and the party at Steamers ..

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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 20:22:18 (permalink)

    Peg the beads and paint 'em up fishmachine...i'm a die hard fly fish guy but still do the float rod in the frozen winter when I bead it....do not use...

    the bare hook..laws are changing. Fish a small nymph, much more productive, size 12 then peg the bead 1-2 inches above..I tie

    up bead head copper johns or a similar nymph pattern...it is deadly ( Ok I'm giving away some winter secrets), but they do work

    in the fall and other times of the year, but I'm having too much fun with the fly rod then,..to go float...you should re-rig that fly

    rod you hung up...it gets real exciting in the fall.

    tight lines...

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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 20:39:46 (permalink)
    Yeah that rod that I hung up years ago was no where near the weight rods you guys use on the SR.  I have given it some thought especially since the fly zones (I'm assuming) are less crowded and at least from what I've read the salmon, etc... act a bit different when swinging a fly.  Notice I didn't say bead because I'm assuming they are not permitted.
     
    Thanks for the tips, I figured I had to ask the bead question. I thought I heard that some states have/may ban this technique.
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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 20:47:02 (permalink)

    No beads in the fly zones.... they only lasted for a few years there..but they are not flies anyway, so no big deal.. anyway your

    better off swinging flies down low to fresher fish...up in the UFZ you have more room to swing..

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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/01 22:17:06 (permalink)
    Hey Fischn- Used a 5 wt all winter this year for Steel- those heavy ones are shark equipment 8 plus. Frankly most  the steel are a bit slower on those single digit days -the 5 is perfect even if they get lively.
      You would be surprised at how many guys show up on some Winter days in LFZ- was better weekdays but it generally goes up and down with the temps.
    post edited by retired guy - 2011/09/01 22:32:00
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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/02 08:17:21 (permalink)
    I believe the DEC is publishing a new reg this Oct 1 and will still allow the use of a bare hook.
    Not sure what the legal distance from hook to pegged-bead will be.




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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/02 09:56:29 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: draketrutta

    I believe the DEC is publishing a new reg this Oct 1 and will still allow the use of a bare hook.
    Not sure what the legal distance from hook to pegged-bead will be.







    The new reg changes will be for 2012>14

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    RE: Trout Beads on the SR 2011/09/02 10:16:08 (permalink)
    As long as the rules for pegging, etc... are applied to 2012 I will consider some of the approaches that I've read online and be hypervigilant for 2012 to see how the DEC addresses this matter.
     
    Couldn't image catching a chrome like dime is holding on a 5 wt., in the past I fished mostly 2-4 wt. <8.5 ft.  Long rods on a lot of the small streams in PA doesn't make a lot of sense especially since you're mostly roll-casting.  Otherwise, you're losing a bunch of flies to the trees....
     
    Thanks again
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