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WaDerboy
Is yer box full? If not answer the question about the fly via pm prease. If not I'm gonna have to resort to dimebrite.
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Sorry after threatening over your full box I let mine go to seed. Room now!
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Being the legend waderboy is.... i'll take that as a compliment salmo....especially being the young buck I am.... lol....
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Oh stop it. Now I'm blushing like a 14 year old schoolgirl that just let her boyfriend go under the bra for the first time!
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ORIGINAL: waDerboy Oh stop it. Now I'm blushing like a 14 year old schoolgirl that just let her boyfriend go under the bra for the first time! now now wader; although I have that affect on most; remember there are women and children watching
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ORIGINAL: dimebrite Being the legend waderboy is.... i'll take that as a compliment salmo....especially being the young buck I am....lol.... Ah WB, he's just suckin up cuz you don't sight dem.. LMAO.. women & children are banned.. (just kidding folks)
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This Is this one gonna turn in to the next bs thread....funny stuff here
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Oh I don't mind spotting them. I just back up once I do. As long as I know where they are or should be I have confidence I can swim my fly thru the right area without accually having to watch it happen. Selfish of me really since I think it makes them feel more secure. Remember their genetics come from the ones that survived the bears. As for sight fishing. The imfamous Lucky 13 and I were fishing the silo hole ,I think the year of the first big king run. Rippers would wade down and look into the hole, we would stop fishing, retie a tippit,change fly, BS each other, and walk on talking about the stupid flyflickers fishing an empty hole. What they didn't get was that the whole was salmon packed so solid that they were seeing the green backs and thinking it was the bottom. That was the first place I watched kings come up out of the school, turn downriver following the fly and mouth it with me never feeling a thing. If I wasn't watching I would not have known I had ever enticed a take. So I'm not doggin spoters I just prefer the hit coming out of the blue,just more of a rush for me.
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ORIGINAL: hot tuna ORIGINAL: dimebrite Being the legend waderboy is.... i'll take that as a compliment salmo....especially being the young buck I am....lol.... Ah WB, he's just suckin up cuz you don't sight dem.. LMAO.. women & children are banned.. (just kidding folks) Good cause I'm not comfortable thinging about DB fondling any part of me. Rethinking the 18th now.
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ORIGINAL: dimebrite This Is this one gonna turn in to the next bs thread....funny stuff here With proper hijacking every post should turn into the BS thread at some point. Imagine if Tuna invited us all to a party at his place to view his wallboard project and that was all you could talk about all night. Can't talk about what you are doing at work, nothing about movies, no talk of music, cildren are out, wifes visit from aunt Flow. Boring! Real conversations and the party morphs and rocks with laughter and exchange of ideas. I prefer to KEEP ON ROCKIN IN THE FREE WORLD.
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ORIGINAL: waDerboy ORIGINAL: hot tuna ORIGINAL: dimebrite Being the legend waderboy is.... i'll take that as a compliment salmo....especially being the young buck I am....lol.... Ah WB, he's just suckin up cuz you don't sight dem.. LMAO.. women & children are banned.. (just kidding folks) Good cause I'm not comfortable thinging about DB fondling any part of me. Rethinking the 18th now. Fondling....Wow; someone has a one track mind Lmao.... Hey lee; I agree with you 100% on blind fishing for kings... I think tuna is just jealous that we're in agreement.... lol
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wow i never knew wader was such a popular figure has hasbro picked up the rights to the action figure yet? ;)
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Big bear; hush hush.... we're working on it... don't want any leaks to the press..
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Hiding behind a tree last year up river watching coupla Kings spawn in the gravel- were some Steel behind them and I was drifting unweighted sacs through trying to pickup a Steel. The male King commonly grabbed the blue sac and i mediatly spit it.-didntwant the Kings anyhow but he kept squashing and ripping the sac with his front teeth. Took him bout a millisecond each time he did it. Neat to see. Got real interesting when some Hos showed up right by the Steel and held there too. That King was so quick ya couldnt have hooked him up if ya tried. Snap -spit quicker than ya can say it. Sometimes watching the fish is fun.
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They are having problems changing the kung fu grip into a fly casting stroke. Hoping they will be out in limited numbers in time for Xmas! PS welcome back bear. Hows Hcamp after the flooding last year?
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ORIGINAL: waDerboy ORIGINAL: dimebrite This Is this one gonna turn in to the next bs thread....funny stuff here With proper hijacking every post should turn into the BS thread at some point. Imagine if Tuna invited us all to a party at his place to view his wallboard project and that was all you could talk about all night. I prefer to KEEP ON ROCKIN IN THE FREE WORLD. What the heck kind of Party would that be ?? Surly not at my place.. But Really If you need to stay on topic, there is a church next door here.. RED,WHITE & BLUE .. So, now that we got all that outta the way.. Sight fishing.. When a Salmon sucks your fly in and you don't see the take, do you feel the bite ? Ya know like a trout, or does the line just stop and you lift ? When I can I watch the fly get sucked in and strike before I even feel a thing.. Now Steelhead: how many fish do you think take & spit the fly out with out ever knowing a thing happened ? Is an indicator a sin to use ? Finally I think the WB action figure was discontinued long ago but if you can find one on e-bay they are money.. just do a search under Stretch Armstrong.. lol..
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Like I said I have watched them swim downstream barely faster than the fly,suckitand spit it out never feeling a thing. I also have had them try to pull the rod out of my hand. Mostly its a solid thud followed by my sweeping down and to the bank and a headshake rise to boil the surface before looking to be back in 175' over 300' or I we non locals call it the lake. Do I miss subler hits. Shownuff. Do I care, only on the slowest of days of the shortest of trips. You know that if they are running, mostly unmolested and fresh another will come along plenty soon enough, especialy at my age when 1 goes a long way. I might have to take a nap if I ever try to land another king.
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Some good bs going on in here... Indicators; im not one of those snoobs who is against them; but I choose not to use them.... these days I notice SOME indicator guys foul hooking steelhead often... I prefer to lean towards a more traditional drift and approach for steelhead... and even when high sticking or dead drifting; I will still let the fly swing out in the last 25% of the drift most times... its hard to miss a sip when your line is tight lined on the downstream swing... the extra line in the chamber is key in strikes in the "end zone" and they often hook themselves when the head turns... Tuna; honest question here: are you as keen on sight fishing steelhead as you are with kings? Was just wondering... honestly no stone busting here...
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nope, trout and salmon are total opposites and I mostly fish them in completely different water & styles. getting a king to attack a fly is different then getting a trout to feed.. thus sight fishing salmon in the shallow pockets when they move & hold.. I can control my fly right in front of their face at their level to provoke a strike without using much if any weight.. I'm not talking lining/snagging , not every fish will strike and you have to be able to just let them non-strikers go. But as I said very effective when you learn it right and you can cover a lot of water instead of planting foot in the "spot" all day..
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hot tuna
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ORIGINAL: dimebrite Some good bs going on in here... these days I notice SOME indicator guys foul hooking steelhead often... I prefer to lean towards a more traditional drift and approach for steelhead... and even when high sticking or dead drifting; I just picked this apart a little bit for more discussion.. Start with the first sentence.. Ya know what I see lots of guys foul/snag/line lots of fish no matter what they are using.. Maybe you are just kind keen to seeing more indies ? Any rate is all about what you do to correct that.. Some do nothing at all and are happy having their rod bent. So lame if you ask me.. Some folks intentionally rig their set ups to get their rods bent.. Some folks run their tippet & weight to the max . 4' or even more.. So really there is a lot going on.. Now lets look at a proper indie just running down the stream, do you think more foul hooked fish may be a result of quicker reaction to that indie going down if the line passes over a fish instead of no indie and the line just continues to slide off unnoticed by the angler ? To me it's very possible.. Now the last part.. So after all that said, I very rarely use indicators but at times I sure do and think it helps increase a catch as I have sighted steelhead/trout spit my egg fly out quicker then I even felt a thing.. Seems reason so many ppl are having more success with bobbers (floats) right ? And yes, I seen those things line fish too when set up to do so..
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On the nose HT. Its all about adjusting so as to not foul fish. Nothing wrong with an indie rig, I have a couple places on the Genny where it is far and away the best way to present a fly. If those are the area I am fishing I have no qualms about fishing them, but I prefer to fish water where I can swim-swing a fly because the take is usually much more violent and exciting. As to standing in the spot, as I get older, rounder, and more injury prone I find myself fishing smaller sections of river. Always have and always will be more than willing to share and rotate but the days of parking at the Black and fishing down to the lower Clay only having to wade back up because nobody had been down there, ,against the high water that hit at 2pm every week day, whole way otherwise. Ya back in 80 I had to learn the shortcut thru Bardlay's southside, where the makeshift parking lot used to be. I envy your youth. Why have you been dying your hair gray?
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dimebrite
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You're right tuna; its all rig and intent; and I find most indie guys I see not fishing them the way theyreally are supposed to be and yes they are belly hooking a lot of fish... floats; yes; lining fish can be achieved; but IMO; majority of bobber guysare catching fish legitimately... im gonna throw this one out here; just for the sake of BS.... it sounds to me that the culprit is the weight....maybe some of the folks who are completely concerned with the rigging methods and lining/foul hooking of fish should petition to have a completely pure river with nothing but artificialsand no added sinkers to line at all... even better; floating fly lines only with no sink tips.... just saying man...
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ORIGINAL: dimebrite it sounds to me that the culprit is the weight....maybe some of the folks who are completely concerned with the rigging methods and lining/foul hooking of fish should petition to have a completely pure river with nothing but artificialsand no added sinkers to line at all... even better; floating fly lines only with no sink tips.... just saying man... well I only put your quotes up so I can reply according to them.. Sorry man but I totally disagree on no added weight.. You don't know how many times C&D has put smiles on clients faces steelheading in 30 some deg. water.. I would find it very hard if not almost impossible to catch fish through out winter into early spring with out using weight.. It would be hilarious seeing me trying to double haul my noodle rod.. Honestly if that were the case/rule then I would stop fishing there completely.. To me it's not about using weight, it's about using it correctly.. If you are looking to get your fly/bait down deeper then what I don't understand (well really I do)is why some folks put their weight & more of it farther away from the fly/bait.. say the 4'max. That is not sinking your fly but instead causing the belly/whip in your line.. Also, I very rarely fish the "bucket" area in dsr but last year in 335/maybe it was 550 I don't remember, I did.. From the picture of the king I was holding that I put up was from the bucket and there was nobody else there.. I guess what I'm getting at is I used 2-3/0 shots about 12" away from my fly and an un-weighted fly to catch somewhere around a dozen fish in that, what I call heavy water spot.. Now on any other given day I always see folks with strings of giant lead balls 4' up from the fly chuckin there.. Why ? I so hate when the gov't steps in and makes DUMMY regs just because of , well dummies and no regards to the people who are fishing.. So I say , whack those dummies hard $$$ and leave the rest of the folks alone.. Only makes sense to me.. As for the float/bobber rigs.. If you properly stagger your shot then you are most likely breaking the law.. I mean starting 12" from hook then staggering it up the leader you will most likely pass 4' with the last sinker, at least I do.. I think the wardens rightfully over look that in most cases.. Now if you start your shot about 3' or so above your fly/bait then add a few clunkers above that to keep you bobber straight, Your going to line the crap outta fish.. seen it being done.. Believe me folks I know ALL the tricks and the many guys who are skilled in that crap do it right under folks noses who have no clue.. Real good discussion db, glad you brought it up and I'm so looking forward to sharing water with you folks very soon..
post edited by hot tuna - 2011/08/31 15:27:27
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Let's not share all of our secrets with db. God forbid we get there and he's already caught all of the fish in the river.
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ORIGINAL: salmotrutta Let's not share all of our secrets with db. God forbid we get there and he's already caught all of the fish in the river. salmo; you're lucky I only made it up in early august; otherwise there would be NO fish in the river if I had been up in the past 2 weeks... TOONS: thanks for not taking it the wrong way I more or less said it to prove a point... you can only look at it so far... the rest is pleasure man... fish and be happy...
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Oh, I thought we were talking about fishing technique. Yes- bobbers are pretty ****. Even my kids make fun of people using bobbers. Pools are fun, sight fishing holding spots= fun too. Greased line, dead drift, tight line, streamer swing, on the dirt, in the middle, just under, shoot, side, roll, water load, curve, reverse roll, steeple, trout set, strip set, drag set, whatever. It all works when you use it if at the right time or you're not expecting it.
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HT - as you know - float setups are water-depth specific. There are very few spots in the SR that would require a shot pattern where the anchor weight is > 4' from hook (e.g. Sportsman's). I don't use floats for Slammin - I'd rather snaggle-puss them. For winter time steelies - when the float drops - the BS stops...
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ORIGINAL: draketrutta For winter time steelies - when the float drops - the BS stops... I thought u broke ur long steelie drought w/ a guide and plugs?
Steel on a pin---so easy a caveman can do it.
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