Thanks for that Tuna-
  Here in Ct land records are kept in the local City Hall Clerks office for any and all to see. Did many record searches when initiating Federal Forfeiture cases on Drug Dealers over the years. Not hard to do. Walk in check ' the book' for the address and then go in and pick out the volume and look up the  page that property is recorded on- done. Gadflys do it all the time.
  As I understand the NY system those records are all kept at the County Clerks office which can be a long way off. -makes an easy job a bit more time consuming and I dont know about  how they make their records available to the public.
  Someday I might just take the time to note a coupla adresses where I used to walk in on signed trails and go look them up - just to see if a ROW is listed.
  Might start a real war. After a lifetime of investigative l/e and politics and many court presentations and cases -so what? Its familiar ground.
Would think  that an easier more complete route should be readily available- The State most certainly has records of purchase agreements for the SR system and they would likely be all in one place. NOT JUST A LIST- the agreement signed by the owner when selling his specific rights.
   As they are State purchases they are most likely to be public information. Might be as simple as filing a freedom of information application if ya even have to go that far.
   Have tried it on the kumputear a number of ways over the past several months but they only go so far with it and show the stuff that has been listed here on the Forum already. Not what this question asks for. Not contracts bearing the specific language needed for the ROW to the water question.
  Think that the purchase agreement should spell that out clearly. No dif than buying the property its all listed on the title searches. This would also show any preceding ROW issues like old routs to other properties that the state may now own in the immediate areas of the River.
     The only ISSUE is finding the right office and person to contact - like all govt it can be maddening to ask a simple question. If anyone knows a local politico holding a State office that may get the job done quickly.
      Wouldnt be an issue at all if those marked paths didnt exist in living memory.

ORIGINAL: fichy

Can you imagine having a couple of the prime  miles of the SR to yourself during shark season?   Don't think I'll ever turn into Warren Buffet.
Charlie

I wouldn't have a problem with that.
I do have a problem with scum like Barclay that makes $$ from a resource (fish) stocked with public monies...
In Pa, if a private land owner refuses FREE public access to a waterway which was previously stocked, the stockings will cease.

DB - you have a pad on the river, probably plan on settling there full time one day - best of luck to you. I've just growing tired of all the nonsense on that River, including the overload crowds and bumper boat driftboats in the winter time - soon to become a cookie cutter fishery due to the out-of-control PETA C&R BS.
I can catch 5 pound trout on my home river and be alone, and pocket a couple hundred$ that it costs me to make a run up there.

The main lure for me was trying to catch a coveted 20lb Steelie...
Good Luck with that.

RT - talk about checkin under the hood.
Years ago I was checkin out a 4 banger Nissan Pickup I was about to purchase.
Lifted the hood and noticed 8 spark plug wires.
I'm a mechanical nitwit and was dumbfounded - until the seller informed me that the truck had a double ignition..(whatever that means) LOL

Excuse the rants gents - I'm in Anarchy Mode this week, been up to my neck with tax filings for a few clients and I'm trying my best to "Put It to The Man".

Bean-counter, insurance agent, soon to be a certified commercial real estate property appraiser.

I gotz tired of working as an employee for other peeps - especially big corporate peeps - I can't fit the PC mold anymore (felt like a square peg getting pounded into a round hole)

Besides, I like working in my underwear and surfing fishy sites while downloading/printing the biz stuff.

I'm a true-blue multi-tasker...

WOW, we are really digging in the dirt on this one.. Just some simple notes:

Fishy: you can thank us here in NY for that bottom of the river deal that set the stage. I remember the battle well and participated in it many times - AGAINST !!

RT: I know at least as far as property is concerned , You can go to the town clerks office and request seeing the property maps.. I have had to do this myself to see boundary lines of some property I was bow hunting.. A neighbor owns 7 acres, I was hunting a 123 acre property with permission and the neighbor gave me a hard time saying I was on his property.. Well turned out I was at least 10 acres away from his, seemed he thought his 7 acres was a mile wide..
But any rate, I don’t know for sure if town records would list the state PFR boundaries..
I would assume if you wrote to the NYS DEC, they would give you a CLEAR listing of the PFR along such areas your asking.. I think that would be the most simple thing to do..

Drake:
We do the same thing here that Pa said.. If there is no access the state wont stock that section or lake. I have seen lakes become privatized and stocking stop that were once public and state stocked.. Thing is in the case of SR or any other stream , the fish migrate to or through the private areas.. Really I got no problem with that as long as they don't purposely stock closed water

Tuna- As you found out the Clerks records list it gives the description of boundaries. To have read further any leins, or other encumberments would have been listed too. If you saw none - they dont exist.
 Agree bout getting the list form the state - they all have to be in the same office drawer someplace. Most likley both in a fisheries office and a legal office.

YO -
DB -

check out the SNAG man on MFF SR thread..

first one I've seen this year - 27lb Chinooky...

(and like HT - my $ was on you to break the intraweb cherry for us )..

later d00ds.

RT - I don't mind having to park in a DEC lot and hoofin it in.
Matter of fact, I enjoy a walk in the woods and a little chat whiff Nature
(a.k.a. 10-420 in detective-ezze)

Have a good one - stay high & dry in CT.

p.s. since your'e an old guy like me, do u remember the old TV Commercial ---> It's 11:0'clock - Do You Know Where Your Children Are?

well, I do.

And according to my Al Gore Intrweb Connection Device, it is 10:59 pm, which means I gotz to go to the local watering hole to mentally & liverally prepare for tomorrow's clambake.

later d00d


First Slammin In Hand on da River on the intrawebs !!!....

drake, thanks for the potential props... unfortunhately i might not get the chance to wet a line this august... the path of this storm will be the deciding factor... if it keeps dwindling i will be on the river sunday morning.... #2 wouldnt be too bad

what is this facebook you speak of?

Water temp 76? still warmer than I like both for the fight and release. If your a fish keeper while they may be nickle bright the flesh goes mush pretty quick at that temp.
On the other hand I love 185cfs when knowone is walking thru the holes looking at their wader shoes.
Stand back, throw a tightloop, mend and swim (like underwater greaselining) or swing an unweighted fly. Then just hold a foot of slack in your hand to drop on the take and hangfreakin on.

Good luck to Pops!

Well, I'll definately go next weekend. For me, a few fish seen would be just fine. Not looking for lots, just one hook-up. Thanks for the update DB. Wader, thanks for the technique tip.

Charlie

Good luck Fich-
Jealous as all hades. Gotta feed the leaches for another 9 or 10 days at least.
Hope you nail them good.
Welll its started -finealy - guess the whole tone of the board will change now- Summers over - it was fun guys.
Have a GREAT season- hope to meet ya at Dimes party and hope yall  make it too.
hookem good and hookem often.

Hey Killer-
  Dont take me too literally bout that Staircase no fishing.
   I am a freak about signs and posted stuff -I dont go near it.
  The trails along the bridge down to the Staricase are still there and worn and even this summer guys were fishing it. Am very sure it wil be pounded this season unless L/E starts handing out tickets which is highly unlikely.
  For the average guy  it still in all likelyhood just as it was.
  As retired l/E and holding elected office I simply dont want to chance my name on the front page for a simple trespass $25 ticket.

Hey waderboy; I've never fished the oak but I k now a guy who does... big browns are plentiful... crowds can be heavy at times. Very small water and visibility is very clear. Heard there are many rippers...