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2011/08/12 18:31:02 (permalink)

Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies

So I made up a couple flies a week or so ago.
Just got some new colors/materials for tying up there in da mail to mess with next weekend on my long break.
Post your pics. of your flies here. Not a recipe theread, just pics. of yer creations. Let's see em'.


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    wednick
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/13 15:21:45 (permalink)
    i love the "popsicle" type flies for kings, like ive said before chucking a popsicle fly at a king till he snaps at it is alot of fun. I plan on sometime next week tying up a few big and obnoxious creations. but with flies i always say its not how good it looks, its how effective it is.

    "I wonder what fish smelled like before women started swimming?"
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/13 21:40:15 (permalink)
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/13 22:32:48 (permalink)
    wow- we gots a comidian. iI expected dt to post this so now you gotta tell him sorry.

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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/13 22:53:13 (permalink)
    salmo when i get back i will post up 2 pictures of proven patterns each for, salmon, browns , steelhead
    post edited by hot tuna - 2011/08/13 22:54:10

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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/14 15:02:51 (permalink)
    i was sure db would have loaded about 1000 of his flies up here by now. 

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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/14 15:03:10 (permalink)
    Flies my buddy tied for me. Phone camera doesn't do them justice.
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/14 15:22:52 (permalink)
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/14 15:29:07 (permalink)
    [imghttp://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z367/pistolpete7/0814111517.jpg[/img]
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/14 15:29:58 (permalink)
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/14 15:31:45 (permalink)
    OK that's all I've got. My buddy tied these for me.When they are gone it is back to Atlas Mike's eggs and garden hackle.
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/14 15:37:25 (permalink)
    As far as being a comedian-no. I just get obnoxious sometimes after a few beers (sometimes don't even need the beers), mostly tied to moon phases.
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/14 17:39:15 (permalink)
    Steel eat those winter stones, I've met guides that swear by realistic patterns of 'em. I had good luck with caddis larvae patterns that could work for them, too. Egg sucking leeches are high on my must tie  more of list. They were my best pattern in the UFZ last year.
     
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/15 02:39:12 (permalink)
    very nice

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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/15 12:32:25 (permalink)
    Slammo - nice ties you made there, more fancy than anything I twist up.

    Pistol - they are nice flies - especially the bugger-types - they'd fish well anywhere.

    When I first started going up to the Slammin River, I did not tie flies and fell for all the hoopla and wasted alot of $ buying way too many "Flies of the Week" offered by various shops.

    I soon found out that I could hand tie a few wraps of estaz onto a hook via overhand knots and "catch" Salmon.

    Not knockin your wonderful looking flies Slammo - or anyone elses.

    There is always a chance that a true biter (steel or brown) may be in the mix.

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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/15 12:50:32 (permalink)
        Back in the bad old days sometimes I didnt use any fly at all- Just the hook. Completley cut out all the time wasted tying stuff.
        In the snaggin areas upriver it was actually legal then.
    post edited by retired guy - 2011/08/15 12:51:28
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/15 15:30:19 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: draketrutta

    I soon found out that I could hand tie a few wraps of estaz onto a hook via overhand knots and "catch" Salmon.

    Not knockin your wonderful looking flies Slammo - or anyone elses.

    There is always a chance that a true biter (steel or brown) may be in the mix.




    Hey drake; straight estaz flies work well for steelhead also... heck; look at a sucker spawn; better yet even my wad of glo bug yarn snelled on to a hook.... I have trout slammo them often...

    A simple steelhead and great steelhead fly is just a plain dubbed body in any color you want with hackle wrapped up the entire body over the dubbing to the front...

    Nymphs: I've been in a pinch when I ran out of nymphs and tied a few real quick at lunch with a tapered dubbed body and then just a fat dubbed head... nothing but dubbing.....they work almost better sometimes; especially with a nice long hair dubbing...
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/16 12:31:14 (permalink)
    Steelhead are rainbows, and bows respond well to flash alot  of the time. There's flies used on the west coast that are nothing but estaz and they are very effective. I've fished lots of spring creeks and very clear stillwater in Northern California and watched big bows respond to flies like chartreuse bunnies and estaz nymphs. I've also observed this liking for striking at flash reduces as the water temps drop and their metabolism does the same. I noticed on really cold days in the SR, the  caddis pupae that are small and sparse work the best.They work other times, too.  I'm still trying to figure out how many  of mine are flossed , and how many are eating the larvae. The caddis and midge pupae  population in the river is off the charts. All that bio-mass from the dead sharks has made the insect life as good as any river I've seen. With light, long  tippet and a small fly, the steel won't move much out of the way if they suspect a bogus offering. Much easier to snag or floss. I've watched steelies eating midge emergers and watched them actively eating nymphs. Still, flossing is happening. I've gone to shorter tippet and using indicators that are set for depth and let the fly hang nearly straight as the current will allow. More work, but I'm trying to be honest.That doesn't mean I won't C and D on a  zero day in Jan. I want to catch fish, not just frig around.  I also got some good fish on red San Juan worms, kinda like the flesh worms found on the rotting carcasses. My best fly so far, by far, has been a pink piece of chenille yarn coated with Aquaseal on a size 6 heavy nymph hook with a couple of turns of pink estaz up front. The Aquaseal makes it just as wiggly as the pink worms the CPer's do so well with. That fly certainly falls under the attack and eat mode; nothing natural looking about it. I'll put some flies up soon. Be worth a laugh at least.
     
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/16 12:49:25 (permalink)
    Hey charlie my findings are similar to yours referring to both colors and seasons/temperatures.... for the flossing end of it; try to stay away from the longer leaders and extremely light tippets; I've found that even on the cold january and february days the fish that want to eat will hit 6 lb. Test in MOST case scenarios.... shorten your leader up for sure...hope this helps... IMO; your goal should be to get that fly anywhere in the midway depth to just off bottom when it comes to winter steelheading; with that in mind; flossing percentage is absolutely higher...

    Ps... you should try bobber fishing sometime; you might like it; no offense if you're fly only
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/16 13:05:56 (permalink)
    What do you guys find the Hos hitting and does it change as the season progresses?
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/16 14:06:33 (permalink)
    Hoes = anything red or pink...
    I use fugly etaz comets...
    early season runs
    ***************

    I never caught a late season (winter) hoe, maybe because I never toss flamboyant fugly red stuff for steelhead??
    post edited by draketrutta - 2011/08/16 14:08:54
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/16 15:37:22 (permalink)
    I imagine sameapplies for them in winter for the most part bright patterns; even not so big... remember at that time between late salmon, browns and steelhead (skamania); eggs are floating around... I personally have never targetted the super late hoes myself; I prefer to leave them alone... but i'll take one it strikes...

    About ten years ago I had a mid teens hoe slammo my estaz fly at the end of my drift on the deep side of the boss hole... the fish more or less broke water on it.... 1000+ cfs and 5 lb test lasted about 5 minutes until snap off... it was a beautiful fish; but definitely the one that got away...
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/16 15:46:02 (permalink)
    just my tip in winter.. I totally switch to spinning gear for 2 reasons..
    1. Icing
    2. being able to control my depth and drag with less weight and fewer foul hooked fish (foul hooked includes flossing to me)

    If you are intent only on fly fishing tackle ( I use flys on spinning gear in winter) then the odds as you know are greatly against you.. You must work totally different water then the usual deep winter holds (IMO) if you are trying to acomplish the goals of #2..
    Using a indi is an option and strongly suggested on the insides of those deeper winter lies.. It is the way to fly..

    Flash..
    flash is good when temps are good.. Once we get warming sun the Big flash flies come out from me.. Even in Feb youn get some changes in water temps late in the day which will make the fish come to your fly..
    Most times in winter it's natural for me, single egg or my standard trout nymphs.. Change often that in itself can cause a strike.. Move often.. Generally the first 5 drifts are when its going to happen. The longer you stay throwing the same fly the greater the chance for foul. So if you dont move then at least after a dozen casts change the fly/bait or what have you..

    Tippet;
    no need even in winter to go below 6 lb.. If you use REAL tippet material not bulk spool, the diamater is the key not the test.. I love frog hair.. .. Once Spring comes I will even use 12 lb tippet with 8 being the standard.. Remember folks it's not the test but the diamater and bulk spools are NOT the same as tippet material ..


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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/16 18:40:06 (permalink)
    Wrapping estaz around a hook does not a fly make my book in db, sorry.
    Post pics. peoples!
    Fitchy- the char. bunny sounds good. I got green any yellow char. ready to wrap.

    Drake- those flies are no things of beauty. Just quick stuff.

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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/16 21:06:31 (permalink)
    hey salmo, I will say that I at least consider estaz "wrapped & tied" to be a fly... Not one that I would offer in a swap but yes a legit fly..
    Those glue balls, bead on a hook or snelled yarn , not a fly to me but more a lure.. I know it's controversial but thats just how I would and think those who write the regs precieve things..
    As to the yarn, I know its just the same if tied to the hook but it's that proccess of step building that defines it to me..

    No doubt they all work and are great lures (IMO) but just reasons the regs try to define a fly..


    Edit:
    Salmo dont worry I'll throw up 6 pic's of flies over the weekend when I get back.. I aint scared to show my secret flies .. LMAO
    post edited by hot tuna - 2011/08/16 21:08:46

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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/16 22:01:24 (permalink)
    I guess so. When I make estaz flies I don't even use thread- just crazy glue on the shank and wrap a couple times.

    DB- a simple dubbing nymph, if the right color like light Hare's ear will rock the house on lots of days places I fish, esp. if picked out to look buggy.

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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/17 00:04:10 (permalink)
    well, salmo thanks for reading back to see i spoke of other patterns as well; honestly, your shot against me regarding the estaz flies inspired me to go out and spend 158 bucks on some materials... i always tied during down time up while up at the region in the past; but as most know, my FREE time is limited the past few years up there... my tying stuff is all up at my place and scattered about; anyways, thanks for making me spend the 158 tonight; my wife loved that one ... this first one here is more than just a dubbed nymph, but still basic and natural... this is a proven winter pattern for me... enjoy
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/17 00:08:29 (permalink)
    oops too small...
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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/17 00:14:12 (permalink)
    lets try again; sorry to be a pain...

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    RE: Salmon/ Lake Run Trout Flies 2011/08/17 00:17:51 (permalink)
    heres a pretty one that is pretty simple...

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