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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/09 14:25:38
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/09 16:25:06
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He'd also probably agree that if you're cranky, we'll throw you in for the lake erie sharks. +1 Kype, you grab the ankles...Drake, you take the belt(think wedgie)...I got dibs on the throat-area... Catching fish all depends on how well you listen... Ironhed
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/09 16:29:58
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He'd also probably agree that if you're cranky, we'll throw you in for the lake erie sharks.
+1
Kype, you grab the ankles...Drake, you take the belt(think wedgie)...I got dibs on the throat-area...
Catching fish all depends on how well you listen...
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I am a very good listener.
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/09 17:15:09
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ORIGINAL: Ironhed
He'd also probably agree that if you're cranky, we'll throw you in for the lake erie sharks.
+1
Kype, you grab the ankles...Drake, you take the belt(think wedgie)...I got dibs on the throat-area...
Catching fish all depends on how well you listen...
Ironhed
Now if you were going to tell me something akin to the confused, short-sighted babble that comes from Doc and the misguided science that RSB hangs his hat on, especially if it happend once in his little piece of the Commonwealth, such as we are going to use kites to troll ballyhoo in 2 feet of water at 25 knots and are hoping to catch 35 pound walleye and 8 pound perch, plus a white marlin or two, then I might not listen and would be forced to call BS on you as well.  But since you are a reasonable person, that won't happen.
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/09 17:52:31
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the confused, short-sighted babble What do you know .. I feel the exact same way about 80% of what you post here in the hunting forums.... except I'd add elitist attitude for your babble....
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/09 17:59:24
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the confused, short-sighted babble
What do you know ..
I feel the exact same way about 80% of what you post here in the hunting forums.... except I'd add elitist attitude for your babble....
What I know is how to conduct research, do simple math, understand politics, don't base decisions based on what goes on within 5 square miles around me, consider the well thought out positions of others, admit when I am incorrect, change my mind, am not trusting of everything I try to get sold, have a competive nature, know how to apply what I know to many different situations and can keep track of what I wrote from one post to the next. I frankly don't care how you feel.
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/09 18:16:03
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I frankly don't care how you feel either, but you do make me LAUGH .... example == why scout more than 3 days if that's all it takes == does not sound like a competitive person to me
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/09 19:15:58
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Oh you listen very well but you're cranky.  I'm still trying to figure out why you said a thing to esox. Considering he hunts around pittsburgh and is on a lease (assuming trespassing is controlled), he may have better hunting than you and I combined. So... it could be a banner year for him. Overboard ! 
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/09 19:32:18
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Considering he hunts around pittsburgh and is on a lease (assuming trespassing is controlled), he may have better hunting than you and I combined. So... it could be a banner year for him. The problems occur because folks with situations like that can't comprehend what the rest of us are talking about. My relation down that way has been killing bigger bucks than I see and was way before AR/HR. Not sure I would trade my country home for his city living though.
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/09 19:57:39
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I have most certainly seen the impacts of HR. The more rural parts of 2B I frequent, especially those that allow rifles, have been absolutely hammered as of late. Sure there are pockets that are still loaded, but that is not close to the norm. Think about it, why would someone go to camp when there are "no deer" left when they can come hunt farm country in 2B and get tags to kill as many does as they want, and hunt them for over 5 months? While I never saw big numbers of deer in my area, I would estimate that my sightings have easily dropped in half over the course of the last 7 years. Last summer while running 2 cameras over minerals all summer long on one property I hunt, we had a total of two does between them. 3 of us each spent our first 5 full days of archery hunting and saw 2 deer total I think for 15 days of effort. The year before that may have been even rougher for me with deer sightings. I am not looking for any sympathy as I know we have some good areas to hunt, but the grass isn't always greener on the other side and it certainly appears to me that many of the newly found 2B hunters are transitioning back to hunting "up camp" S10, I have a Pittsburgh address now with about 20 acres of huntable Borough property behind me. I saw 25 deer on the hill one day last December. I have no desire to hunt it, but you are welcome to come down and give it a whirl. The only thing is that I am not going to help you recover a deer when it expires in someones pool
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/09 20:37:59
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--That's the problem my relation talks about also. From one of his stands he watches and listens to the neighbor kids at their swing set. Do you belong to the Swickley hunt club?
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 00:39:12
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--That's the problem my relation talks about also. From one of his stands he watches and listens to the neighbor kids at their swing set.
Do you belong to the Swickley hunt club?
S-10 you familiar with that area? I have and still do occasionally hunt on PP behind Economy Gun smithing and surrounding areas. Here is a buck my cousin shot in that general area last season. [image]  [/image]
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 07:28:16
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Oh you listen very well but you're cranky. I'm still trying to figure out why you said a thing to esox. Considering he hunts around pittsburgh and is on a lease (assuming trespassing is controlled), he may have better hunting than you and I combined. So... it could be a banner year for him.
Overboard !
That is precisely the point. Those that do not experience what the rest of us are will never understand and not only believe, but espouse that all is well. My response to him was simply to raise awareness that for the majority of deer hunters in PA, it cannot be a banner year when it comes to bucks. Killing about half of the number of bucks as in the past cannot possibly be construded as "banner" if it is defined as outstanding. Its just not possible. Ask the 100,000 hunters that used to kill a buck before that now are not if they feel that it is a banner year. And I don't mean those that only killed one every 10 years any way. It could be a banner year for him because of his situtation, which is counter to most of the rest of the state. His situation is akin to somebody from Homewaters saying trout season is going to be a banner one as they watch the Purina Trout Chow hatch bring huge fish to the surface. Sure, it will be for them, but no one else. Heck, it would be like me stating pheasant season is going to be a banner one this year because I have the opportunity to hunt several clubs. But to the normal guy, who hunts PGC released birds, he may shoot two not 200. It won't be a banner year for him. I guess the entire point was, for a select few, those that are willing to hang a stand between the swimming pool and the swing set (which would be archery guys since rifles are not permitted), hunt on there own posted ground (I hunt private gorund that is not posted and permits hunting), or have so much time off that they get to hunt more weeks than the average guy gets to hunt days, there will always be the possibility of a banner year and they will never see the donside that is faced by the vast majority of hunters in PA, much like the stock broker that makes a commission when stocks are bought or sold -- they don't see or, more importantly care, that some of that buying and selling is erasing years of someone's savings for retirement -- as long as it doesn't affect them.
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 09:05:14
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It was quite clear esox was talking about his hunting. You made a mountain out of a molehill.
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 09:08:03
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btw... esox did live and hunt in 4D. 8 sittings, 0 deer seen, if I remember correctly. I remember him beotchin' about it.
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 09:11:32
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btw... esox did live and hunt in 4D. 8 sittings, 0 deer seen, if I remember correctly. I remember him beotchin' about it.
Wow, a banner year!
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 11:28:09
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#1... My response to him was simply to raise awareness that for the majority of deer hunters in PA, it cannot be a banner year when it comes to bucks. It has NEVER been a banner state for harvesting deer based on your logic with success rates and harvest numbers being the key to be a banner year...... plus according to you there can be ONLY ONE banner year ... plus you base everything on only bucks which again is just your opinion. I feel most Pa hunters must disagree or the antlerless harvest would not out-number the buck harvest year after year. Especially with a good buck to doe ratio. Most guys buy licenses and tags hoping to harvest A DEER .... Essox appears to be a fella that enjoys the sport of hunting... pursuing game ... and goes about it each year hoping for the best.. You appear to be one that has to have that kill ever year, perfect success rate and by using the least amount of time invested in the sport to be a success and you have no problem paying for some of that success in harvesting or catching fish.... I feel most Pa hunters/anglers are not that fortunate ... they do not have the excellent property to hunt, or the money to pay for a better opportuntiy to be successful.. I have said it before and will say it again.. you are not what I call the AVERAGE Pa hunter... the average guy goes out (most) knowing his chance of success is within the success rate for harvesting deer... which is not really that great ... no one is guarnteed a deer... some like you and me have prime areas that have the opportuntiy for harvesting some sort of deer... then there are some (you)that have the better opportunity to shoot a buck with very little work involved in the harvest. Sit 1,000 yards from the food plot and waiting, hunting a lease, being only one of afew huting there.....and thus base their hunting enjoymnet/skill only on buck harvests I go out to my favorite area knowing as I leave my chances for seeing or even shooting a buck are almost unheard of for that area, as you stated maybe once in 10 years... but it is not about killing bucks, it's about getting out of the house, away from work and relax and hope to shoot a deer for meat for the table... I will admit that if I was a hunter with the belief that you share, that I had to harvest a buck every year or two to be what you would call a successful hunter then HR and especailly ARs would have made me quit too... But I am not like that .. I enjoy hunting.. the pursue of free roaming game... I see the harvest figures for my area every year and can see the over all odds are not hunter friendly... and never have been... but better than many WMUs. I am lucky to live where the odds are still good FOR ME and deer available for harvesting, so again I am not like the average guy hunting here in 2F or maybe even the state who has 24/7, 356 to locate good areas... the deer camp guys are not so fortunate they come to camp maybe 8 times a year for a week-end. And my reports have show the harvests have come down (HR and ARs) But the guys are still here year after year.. TRYING !!! They are Pa deer hunters.. hoping to kill a deer is their #1 reason for coming to camp.. and if they get one GREAT !!!... IF NOT = it's OKAY .. they enjoyed the experience and enjoyed getting out to hunt... having a kill is an added bonus.. REALLY GUYS .. there are many Pa deer hunters that feel this way.. they enjoy the sport....
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 12:02:54
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"then there are some (you)that have the better opportunity to shoot a buck with very little work involved in the harvest. Sit 1,000 yards from the food plot and wait...and thus base their hunting enjoymnet/skill only on buck harvests"
You know, Doc, I am starting to grow a little weary of your drivel. I realize that you aren't the sharpest knife inthe drawer, but even oyu should be able to understand what I wrote in the past, unless you are purposely trying to cause an issue. So let me set you straight, once again.
I have harvested ALL, let me type that real slow so you maybe you can read and comprehend it, A-L-L, of the antlered I have ever shot, e-v-e-r, have been in the mountains of Clearfield County, in the woods, w-o-o-d-s, not near a food plot, not 1,000 yards form a food plot, in the w-o-o-d-s. So get off of it.
And I don't base my hunting enjoyment on bucks only. If I didn that, I would have stopped buying a hunting license a long time ago. As I stated before, to me antlers don't make the deer, antlers make the deer legal. Spike or record book, they're all the same to me. I am just as happy with an antlerless deer as a buck. Makes no difference to me.
As for the amount of effort, I do not live for deer hunting. I have much more important, to me, things to do than wrap my life around the pursuit of a deer. You probably don't. I put in the effort that I deem it is worth.
I did state that last year, as a favor to a landowner, I hunted his farm to aid him with an over population of deer issue that he was having and I did harvest antlerless deer from the property. And, yes, I was within 1,000 yards, you know over 1/2 mile, of a 1/4 acre or less beet plot that I did not know was there and could not be seen due to the terrain. In additon, the beet plot was tucked into a corner near the only woods on the property, so any deer that would approach from where I was sitting would need to have traveled not only that 1/2 mile plus to get there, but an addition mile plus from a neighboring property.
Now go spread some corn for your named deer. Hopefully it won't take darn near all the season for you to harvest a doe this year.
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 12:08:20
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btw... esox did live and hunt in 4D. 8 sittings, 0 deer seen, if I remember correctly. I remember him beotchin' about it.
Yep, I struggled up there, especially in my first archery season in 4D. I did find some deer later on in the season(rifle) you are referring to on a SGL up there, although I wasn't able to connect. A lot of friends up there did well and if I hadn't been so lazy, I bet my results would have been much better. I honestly only spent about 6 evenings hunting archery up there and spent veryy little time scouting. Dar, You are really going to compare my hunting to the Homewaters Club? Once again, without knowing anything about my hunting situation. Very nice. And now I am "hanging a stand between a pool and a swingset"? The smallest property I hunt contains over 150 contiguous acres of undeveloped land, although their are multiple owners on the properties I hunt. For the record I don't "hunt more weeks than the average guy hunts days". I work 5 days a week like most everyone else. I get Saturdays, Holidays, and if I am really lucky a couple vacation days. I really don't know what your beef is...
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 12:17:05
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 14:37:05
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I hunt both kinds of places each year- Here at home in Ct its populated and the deer herd is great with many nice Bucks- Lotsa PVT off limits land makes that happen. Also hunt upstate NY and or another state or two each year in the 'big woods'. They both have their place and they each have different styles of Hunting. Clearly we cant all do it the same way - too many of us and too many places that have Deer. Cant really say which is' better'. Like the number of Deer and size of the Bucks in the Urban places and like the solitude and wide open spaces of the 'big' woods. Guess some folks are lucky enough to have some kinda blend. Cant throw stones at a guy for hunting near home when he can though but can tell him when his views on how things oughta be dont conform to another guys reality.
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 15:31:09
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btw... esox did live and hunt in 4D. 8 sittings, 0 deer seen, if I remember correctly. I remember him beotchin' about it.
Yep, I struggled up there, especially in my first archery season in 4D. I did find some deer later on in the season(rifle) you are referring to on a SGL up there, although I wasn't able to connect. A lot of friends up there did well and if I hadn't been so lazy, I bet my results would have been much better. I honestly only spent about 6 evenings hunting archery up there and spent veryy little time scouting.
Dar,
You are really going to compare my hunting to the Homewaters Club? Once again, without knowing anything about my hunting situation. Very nice.
And now I am "hanging a stand between a pool and a swingset"? The smallest property I hunt contains over 150 contiguous acres of undeveloped land, although their are multiple owners on the properties I hunt.
For the record I don't "hunt more weeks than the average guy hunts days". I work 5 days a week like most everyone else. I get Saturdays, Holidays, and if I am really lucky a couple vacation days.
I really don't know what your beef is...
I don't have a beef. Are you taking reading comprehension lessons from Doc? I know he is dense, but I know you are smarter.You notice I also mentioned my pheasant hunting. It was a figurative comparison and I included myself. From the discussion on this board, a vast majority of 2B, or whatever WMU it is, is unhuntable by anything other than archery and that hunting takes place in small woodlots that indeed are located between someone's pool and swing set. Is that not accurate? The average, the average Pa gun hunter, who is the majority, hunt 2-3 days per season. How many days do you hunt? More than 10-16? If so, then my statement is true. If not, then the statement is false, and I appologize. And if it is not accruate, I bet it is not far off.
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 15:48:52
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just like this one essoz ==
You know, Doc, I am starting to grow a little weary of your drivel. I realize that you aren't the sharpest knife inthe drawer, but even oyu should be able to understand what I wrote in the past, unless you are purposely trying to cause an issue. So let me set you straight, once again.
He's betching because I mentioned hunting the 1,000 yards from a food plot ... which he did POST BEFORE...
and then, in fact, turns around and mentions it again.. but no one else is allowed to mention it
BUT he has no problem with the "digs" about me supplimentally feeding deer thru the winter and naming the ones I see living here day after day... I know lots of guys who nickname deer.. but with only spending 2-3 days hunting I can see why he thinks that is unusual..
Then makes it appear that we are lower than him because we put hunting so high on our list of priorities.. 
You made a post about how excited you are about the up coming deer hunting season .. and immediately he has to try to make it appear you are less than him and his type hunter... and that ( to him) Pa deer hunting sucks and it's the PGC fault ... 
You are even dumber than I gave you credit for. Sorry, got to call it like I see it. I was not complaining about you mentioning that I hunted 1,000 yards from a food plot. Heck, I bet that if you took an honest poll of the hunters that normally frequent this board you would find that there are many that hunt right over a food plot or right on a trail to a food plot. Many probably plant the food plot. Which, by the way, is legal. What I was pointing out is that either you are so lacking in reading comprehension skills; are deliberately trying to paint a negative picture of me; or are just plain, how should I put this, okay, stupid, that you equate what I wrote, which was hunting one season, comprised of two trips, for a total of less than three hours, to make it appear that this is my modus operendi and has been for almost 40 years. So which is it? Is your reading on par with your math? Are you just that unintelligent? Or were you deliberately trying to make me look bad because you cannot defeat a well stated debate? Mention it all you want. But mention it correctly. When I mention your feeding of deer and naming of deer, I do it correctly. Extend the same coutesy. And again on the number of days, I am sorry you are such a poor hunter that it takes you longer to tag out. I never tried to make anyone seem less than me, with the possible exception of finally having enough of you and posting what others already know. I don't know why, except for maybe the dumb as a bag of hammers thing again, that you don't get it that the average PA deer hunter's life does not revolve around deer hunting. They have other hobbies. They have other committments. They take it for what it is -- 2 to 3 days of recreation. The only difference is that 200,000 of them no longer found it to be recreation and bailed out to do something else. I don't know why that is such a hard concept for you to grasp. And if hunter harvesting about half of the bucks that they did is not the PGC's fault, I would like you to point out who's fault it is? Again, your lack of logical thought is showing. Now, unfortunately, that was being cranky.
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 16:00:35
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And my reports have show the harvests have come down (HR and ARs) But the guys are still here year after year.. TRYING !!!
They are Pa deer hunters.. hoping to kill a deer is their #1 reason for coming to camp.. and if they get one GREAT !!!... IF NOT = it's OKAY .. they enjoyed the experience and enjoyed getting out to hunt... having a kill is an added bonus..
REALLY GUYS .. there are many Pa deer hunters that feel this way.. they enjoy the sport.... You really need to leave your porch.Camps are empty and hunters have quite because of the deer population. Too many were tired of taking their gun or bow for a walk and finding that the property they hunted for so many years is now off limits. Sitting on stand for days with a youth and not seeing deer is what keeps them coming back to just enjoy the great outdoor experience ! ya right, LOL
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 16:20:27
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You can't find a camp to buy around here.... and they are anything but empty in deer season.... even the hardware, I have been informed will open on Sunday before rifle season.... so the Pa deer hunters are still in this area anyhow... and this may be the first year in I don't know how many we may nor sell out of doe tags... but we had a TON of them to start with more than iin the last 7 or 8 years... so it's not a matter of me leaving my porch... you are basing your opinions on what areas you are familar with and I am only doing the same...
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 16:27:28
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You can't find a camp to buy around here....
and they are anything but empty in deer season....
even the hardware, I have been informed will open on Sunday before rifle season.... so the Pa deer hunters are still in this area anyhow...
and this may be the first year in I don't know how many we may nor sell out of doe tags... but we had a TON of them to start with more than iin the last 7 or 8 years...
so it's not a matter of me leaving my porch... you are basing your opinions on what areas you are familar with and I am only doing the same...
Like I said you really need to get off your porch and travel around a bit before you judge the whole state by what goes in your area.
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 17:33:02
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Since OA appears to think I am not aware of what goes on statewide because I stay "home" to be succesful... Let's take a look at what goes on in the whole state compared to my area in the past few years.. keep in mine how often I post about this area NOT having alot of bucks... but a good deer poulation as a whole.. statewide average bucks killed per square mile = 2.6 2F average bucks killed per square mile = 2.5 statewide average antlerless harvest per square mile = 4.8 2F average antlerless harvest per square mile = 3.2 Total deer harvested per square mile statewide = 7.4 Total deer harvested per square mile in 2F = 5.7 so maybe you are right I need to travel to be more successful -- yet you seem to imply deer hunting is worse in most of the state so I'd say I am within a fair position talking about the 2F area compared to statewide... so what you mean is I should travel to see that the state as a whole has better hunting than I do here at home on the porch right ??? So you see it's almost mandatory to talk about specific areas not statewide...
post edited by Dr. Trout - 2011/08/10 17:44:59
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Dr. Trout
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 18:21:20
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One more point - just so folks do NOT think I am ignoring the effects of HR and ARs helping to lower those figures here's a 20 year average for Jefferson County where I hunt/live and is now a part of 2F - BEFORE HR and ARs..
average antlerless per square mile = 6.9
average buck per square mile = 4.9
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RE: Good Morning
2011/08/10 18:27:33
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ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout
so what you mean is I should travel to see that the state as a whole has better hunting than I do here at home on the porch right ???
No, what he meant and hoped for was you taking your hunting prowess and vast knowledge overseas. Don't even need to report back.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The closer we adhere to the Holy Bible and the US Constitution (as it was written) the closer we get to the model that made America great. The great American experiment worked, human nature just got in the way.
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