pistolpete76
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August 26
I'm taking my son to school in Oswego. I'm going to stay the weekend and fish. Too early for mudsharks? Any advise?
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RE: August 26
2011/07/18 20:52:20
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not the norm pistol; but back in 98 i hit the largest run ive ever seen that weekend... a few others who were around would say that it was one of the largest pushes of fish ever... to make a long story short, it was a memorable 3 days to say the least. since then, there is a little more pressure now then there was then. but i look at it as a nature outing at the least... feel free to pm me...
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RE: August 26
2011/07/18 20:56:43
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Year before last in late August there were a few coming through the Ballpark area now and again- kinda spotty but better than nothing.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/18 23:05:09
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it wouldnt hurt to come up, there will be a few somewhere on the river. plus theyll be easy to catch due to having no pressure on them, and nobody else will really be around, except maybe me.
the only thing i can tell you know is that the river might be low due to the fact of barely any rain. im gonna make a trip up to the dam and the reservoir to see how the water level is. i was on the ufz saturday night and the river is real low.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/18 23:10:51
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it wouldnt hurt to come up, there will be a few somewhere on the river. plus theyll be easy to catch due to having no pressure on them, and nobody else will really be around, except maybe me.
the only thing i can tell you know is that the river might be low due to the fact of barely any rain. im gonna make a trip up to the dam and the reservoir to see how the water level is. i was on the ufz saturday night and the river is real low.
the water condition definitely isnt good, but i have noticed more of a continuous channel in many parts of the river since the flood. i was actually at the ufz on sunday morning; although the water was low, it looked real nice and sustainable...
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RE: August 26
2011/07/19 22:09:51
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Dime and Wed- Has the UFZ warmed to the point where nobodys fishing or are they still at it.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/20 12:29:20
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RT:
The Guy that owns the Altmar Outfitter Lodge takes temp readings nearly everyday.
Yesterday at Altmar the water temps were
72deg at 8am
78deg at 3pm..
I doubt that the water is any cooler in the UFZ - the dams are too shallow to keep the water cold.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/20 15:40:07
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RT:
The Guy that owns the Altmar Outfitter Lodge takes temp readings nearly everyday.
Yesterday at Altmar the water temps were
72deg at 8am
78deg at 3pm..
I doubt that the water is any cooler in the UFZ - the dams are too shallow to keep the water cold.
Looking at the weather for tomorrow and Friday the water should be even warmer than that,way too warm to catch and release any salmon/trout without killing it.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/20 17:42:02
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Will be up in a week or so with the Wife for a few days -might pass on the fishing a bit and just golf and have a campfire or two. August is right round the corner and a few will soon be poppin outa the downtown pool here and there. These next few weeks will feel like a year. Prayin for rain up there- but NOT like last year. Gotta say though the Atlantics are callin me- they like a good laugh.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/20 18:09:20
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I remember Aug 98.. maybe close to a thousand ? , caught a few ,kept my limit. 3 days later sitting on the bottom in dsr and week later gasping in UFZ & not bitting... Sucked for a season IMO..
Aug -26
It will no doubt be a great time to be in Oswego. Co. I will be in town off shore fishing.. Would like to bring the Yak for some Pike also..
Be it on the beach, fishing the harbor or estuary or, man, Id suggest hiring a charter - great fun..
Fish & fun are abound at that time.. Heck go see the Mods race !!
Reality keep your shore expectations low.. Fish for Eyes or browns in Oswego river early & after dark.. Something will bite..
At any rate show us those sweet sunset pics :)
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RE: August 26
2011/07/20 19:59:22
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Charter out due to budget.Have done it in the past out of Sodus Bay, it is a blast. Son IS going to college so I will be there. I'm thinking fishing the mouths of creeks/streams where I can. I don't care what bites as long as I'm fishin. Rock Bass,Smallies,Largemouth- anything that can tighten a line is fine. My 16' Basstracker is F'd up thanks to an A Hole brother-in-law. Thinking about renting one in Sodus Bay (I have some experience there). Anybody have any other suggestions.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/20 20:19:46
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hey charlie tuna is right when saying have low expectations for bank fishing thta time of year. but for august 98; i believe it fell around the 24th; i can honestly say that at one point there were about 1000 fish in sight at one time in the joss hole. fish were running up both sides of all islands. flat riffle water above and below were explosions of backs out of the water as far as the eye could see, and at the same time a few hundred fish schooled up in the pool to finally break out of the pool and create a 2 ft. wake against the current of the joss hole as they pushed through. i saw non stop fish for atleast 6 hrs. i went down to the wall pool area in the late afternoon after lunch and every single run was loaded with resting fish with fish splashing all through shallows as well. the next day there was nothing in dsr. i went to black hole and fish were stacked to the top of the pool practically. the tail out had large movements still coming through. another phenomenol day which ended at the ball park which ws loaded as well. the third (last day) was started at the ball park as well and it was loaded with hard fighting agressive males that were dimebright... i lost count at 20 on the bank the first day of fishing. i'd say atleast 10 times 1000 ran in that period IMHO. i saw no more than 10 other anglers in 3 days. regardless of what happened later that season; IMO, it was a spectactular season for me. and the fish i kept had undigested food in their bellies as well. these were hard fighting agressive dimebrights i tell ya  now; back to august fishing; tunas suggestions are great, but budget is an issue. i suggest having fun anyway you can. just a little food for thought in conclusion, i have had few years where i haven't banked atleast 1 king by august 31st
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RE: August 26
2011/07/20 20:59:12
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Am always amazed at the guys with sneakers and shorts standing out in the fast water above the Downtown pool in late August and early Sept. catching Salmon. Guess its tough to fall in and drown without waders. And they always seem to be catching some fish too. I take a less daring approach further up but never seem to get the action those guys are getting in that fast water. Guess they must come up and hold in the white stuff there. BTW - how much water was running before that big Aug. run Dime ? Its gonna be up bit this weekend for the boaters Gotta wonder if something like that brought some in .Sounds a lot like they had something bring them in quick and then no water after they got there.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/20 21:04:14
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Was scheduled to go that weekend--but the wife's gall bladder gave out and foiled the trip---the 2 guys I was supposed to meet reported no crowds and lots of big silver fish--they said the fish tired pretty quick and came in like a log after the 1st run---the next weekend they were all crayfish bait on the bottom.
Steel on a pin---so easy a caveman can do it.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/20 21:40:34
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  Am always amazed at the guys with sneakers and shorts standing out in the fast water above the Downtown pool in late August and early Sept. catching Salmon.
 Guess its tough to fall in and drown without waders. And they always seem to be catching some fish too.
I take a less daring approach further up but never seem to get the action those guys are getting in that fast water. Guess they must come up and hold in the white stuff there.
BTW - how much water was running before that big Aug. run Dime ? Its gonna be up bit this weekend for the boaters Gotta wonder if something like that brought some in .Sounds a lot like they had something bring them in quick and then no water after they got there.
hey ree... i had heard that 3 inches of rain fell that night. i got up on a friday i believe; as we were setting up our tent, the storm just starting coming in. we got soaked that night  but the thick misty ,foggy sight of splashing the next morning was worth every drop of wetness we had incurred the night before. for the 3 days i was there; there was very good water. i should check usgs to see what it was at that time; but my no means was i fishing for trapped fish... these were large hard fighting silver fish, and when hooked, they ran straight upstream rather than downstream. the determintaion in these fish wasw magnificent. lets put it this way; they were far from cray fish bait when i hit em, and in all honesty, i had no problem keeping fish i kept alive tied behind an oxygenated pocket... it was awesome i tell ya.................
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RE: August 26
2011/07/20 22:33:11
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Thanks Dime- Thats pretty much what I figured= They must have been outside a bit early (specially if it was a cool year) and that heavy 3 inches was all they needed for the early short run.
Bet they didnt come in good again for bout 3 or 4 more weeks after a early run cleared out the Mouth.
Used to keep some records and havent seen them in years, I would have been at DSR just bout a month later.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/20 22:47:31
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Thanks Dime-Â Thats pretty much what I figured= They must have been outside a bit early (specially if it was a cool year) and that heavy 3 inches was all they needed for the early short run.
Bet they didnt come in good again for bout 3 or 4 more weeks after a early run cleared out the Mouth.Â
Used to keep some records and havent seen them in years, I would have been at DSR just bout a month later.
fish were steadily trickling through august that year and even before the rain came there was some fish starting to run hard... im trying to find a usgs of pineville for aug. 1998 but i cant seem to find actual data... looking back though, i remember several trips i had some good action that year afterwards.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/20 22:51:27
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Not a Salmo expert by any means but think the water had to be a bit higher than it used to be early ( never used to have the minimum flow but dont recall when that started) and it would probably have been a bit cooler that normal too. By higher that could have been as little as 4 to 6 hundred caus back when it ran LOW sometimes.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/20 22:59:43
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 Not a Salmo expert by any means but think the water had to be a bit higher than it used to be early ( never used to have the minimum flow but dont recall when that started) and it would probably have been a bit cooler that normal too. By higher that could have been as little as 4 to 6 hundred caus back when it ran LOW sometimes.
was defin itely more than 600; it was good water first thing in the morning after the rain. back in those days i knew nothing of usgs, and never foollowed water line, but we always classified the river in GATES. i remember referring to it as an estimated 1.5 gates which wouldve been (in my terms) about 1200 cfs, it probably tapered down to 500ish after 3 days... it was perfect water IMO...
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RE: August 26
2011/07/20 23:03:23
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Thats bout right, always figured a half gate was round 4 to 5.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/21 02:51:26
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as I remember there was a good push of water be it rain and release but the water temps were well into the 70's , I was a converse sneaker wader.. like said 3 days later the water dropped and HUNDREDS went belly up right to the bottom.. It was Nasty and the meadow run Stunk to all heck from dead salmon..
Rt, it did flush out the lake pretty good then everyone was waiting for the next big run.. Dont recall there was one until maybe 2nd week in oct.. Very few salmon around and they went quick once the crowds came..
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RE: August 26
2011/07/21 03:58:52
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Too bad=became one of 'those' years I musta got pretty skunked
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RE: August 26
2011/07/21 06:22:15
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as I remember there was a good push of water be it rain and release but the water temps were well into the 70's , I was a converse sneaker wader.. like said 3 days later the water dropped and HUNDREDS went belly up right to the bottom.. It was Nasty and the meadow run Stunk to all heck from dead salmon..
Rt, it did flush out the lake pretty good then everyone was waiting for the next big run.. Dont recall there was one until maybe 2nd week in oct.. Very few salmon around and they went quick once the crowds came..
i do remeber people complaining about no fish later that season. i just kinda smiled to myself whenever someone mentioned it. i do recall some decent movements of fish though. 1 in particular was 1 or 2 weeks later. as for the hundreds dead; IMO thats mother nature man; those fish wanted to run, as they started running before the water even came up, and after the water came up they started running like gang bandits. while those fish were in front of me for 3 days they were far from dead. my over all outlook of that run is amazement. there were points on the first day that i wasnt even fishing. i remeber standing in the flat water below the joss hole while all that surrounded me was large splashing kings. i have hit many LARGE RUNS in my time. this was nothing like ive ever seen. though i will add; as the fish got upstream through black hole and ball park, their presence wasnt as evident. but they were still there veryt hick  there is nothing like those concentrated runs down low. hey tuna; were you fishing the tail of the black around that time?
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RE: August 26
2011/07/21 06:45:42
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actually I was fishing the estuary for pike and seen waves of fish moving upstream. put the boat away and went to the dsr.. I started at the spring hole and worked my way down stream.. you have said before how you seen fish run up & down, back & forth.. well they were doing just that.. and as said a few days later there were hundreds of dimebrite kings lying on the bottom down there.. Also i remember like slayer said they would give a big burst when caught then almost float to the top from stress..
Yea the water temp was well above their tolerance level and as you know back then they would open and close the gates with out rhyme or reason.. when the water levels were dropped by man , so did the fish.. Really there is nothing about the fishery that has to do with mother nature if you think about it.. it's all man made..
Right now I'm gonna grab the fly rod and see if any carp are willing... Report back later.. :)
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RE: August 26
2011/07/21 07:51:59
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Charter out due to budget.Have done it in the past out of Sodus Bay, it is a blast. Son IS going to college so I will be there. I'm thinking fishing the mouths of creeks/streams where I can. I don't care what bites as long as I'm fishin. Rock Bass,Smallies,Largemouth- anything that can tighten a line is fine. My 16' Basstracker is F'd up thanks to an A Hole brother-in-law. Thinking about renting one in Sodus Bay (I have some experience there). Anybody have any other suggestions.
If you go boatless, I would suggest you forget about the small creeks and fish Oswego River or harbor (you can fish off the sea walls). You never know what you might catch there - and the bass will keep you busy along the jetties.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/21 07:56:48
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  Am always amazed at the guys with sneakers and shorts standing out in the fast water above the Downtown pool in late August and early Sept. catching Salmon.
 Guess its tough to fall in and drown without waders. And they always seem to be lining some fish too.
You identified ONE of the best, CHOKE POINTS in the river. The "Xpurts" that stake their claims there call it the NEEDLE, and they are very good at threading it. p.s. the BEST CHOKE POINT = Little Black Hole. The DSR Pass-Holdin Heroes stab that seam with more efficiency than a Heron.
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RE: August 26
2011/07/21 08:43:41
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actually I was fishing the estuary for pike and seen waves of fish moving upstream. put the boat away and went to the dsr.. I started at the spring hole and worked my way down stream.. you have said before how you seen fish run up & down, back & forth.. well they were doing just that.. and as said a few days later there were hundreds of dimebrite kings lying on the bottom down there.. Also i remember like slayer said they would give a big burst when caught then almost float to the top from stress..
Yea the water temp was well above their tolerance level and as you know back then they would open and close the gates with out rhyme or reason.. when the water levels were dropped by man , so did the fish.. Really there is nothing about the fishery that has to do with mother nature if you think about it.. it's all man made..
Right now I'm gonna grab the fly rod and see if any carp are willing... Report back later.. :)
hey tuna, i dont doubt what you say or saw at all; as you shouldnt doubt me  i was at the dsr gates right at opening on either a friday or saturday morning. there were no cars. me and 2 newbie friends of mine stepped outof the woods above the joss and were shocked at what we saw. and it increased as the day went on. a well known guide (who wasnt a guide at the time) eventually came down to the joss with his 2 daughters. to this day he'll claim how unbelieveable that day was... i'm thinking you went down to the spring after the main push came through. when we went down to the wall pool area later that afternoon, jim rusher and one other gentlemen were on the water. i'll never forget the look and smile on jim's face as he laughed and claimed he'd never seen anything like this before... i actually told him he should of seen it a few hours before hand as there were more fish earlier. he laughed more as he casted his 14' spey rod in to some pocket water that was exploding with 100 or so salmon atr one time...i'm sure many fish did turn around; but from what i saw in my 3 days of hard fishing, there were a few thousand that didn't for mother nature; heres my outlook; those fish started running early that year for some reason. they started runing semi hard before the rain really came, once 3 inches of rain fell that night, the water was tinted brown the next morning from all the cool run off. there was a thick fog on the water that went a few feet up until about 9 am or so.and the river was thick with fish running on instinct. totally mother nature induced in my book
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RE: August 26
2011/07/21 09:04:53
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he laughed more as he casted his 14' spey rod in to some pocket water that was exploding with 100 or so salmon atr one time...
yeah, I bet those 100 or so slamon were beating each other for the chance to BITE that spey rod casted fly...
another mother-nature induced miracle...
Sorry DB, I could not resist making a smartazz remark regarding your comment.
You really need to get a job with the Poooolaski Chamber of Commerce....
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RE: August 26
2011/07/21 09:13:54
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I once stood almost mid-river - just below the Wall Hole in Dougieland, when a huge push og Slammins came up. It was interesting to hear everyone yelling FISH-ON downstream, as I watched over a hundred fishing rods bend over like corn stalks blowing in the wind. The bent rods came closer and closer as the fishez made their way through the gauntlet. Through a Miracle of Nature - I hooked up numerous times - right in DA MOUTH. It was like being on an amuzement park ride.. I did not consider it to be anything remotely close to the "act of fishing". Instead - it reminded of the bears that hang out at the waterfalls in Alaska for the snatch & grab sessions. that's my 2 cents worth. p.s. - make that $15.02 if you add on the DSR fee back then...
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RE: August 26
2011/07/21 11:13:49
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I remember one of those days way back when I still fished the DSR.We were fishing all morning in the flats with some success,then we heard lots of yelling and shouting downstream,then we saw what was happening.There were waves of fish coming up and the water was black with them and the shallower water was boiling.When they got to us we were into constant fish till dark,there was no end to them that day.Now this happened in the middle of a bright sunny day with maybe 330 cfs,when they decide to run they run no matter what.
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