2F Bonus tags ???

WOW,

I can't believe it but 2F still has 13,500 tags as of 10am Saturday...

who knows == maybe we can get bonus tags this year ????

2G sold out on Friday about noon...

Got my 2F bonus tag. I havent hunted down there in years. Should be interesting.
 
BH

ORIGINAL: psu_fish

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very poor non-resident sales so far, which is to be expected since doe is closed first week

 
 
Antlerless used to be open three days and before that two days.  Now it is open six.
 
There might be another factor.

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ORIGINAL: psu_fish

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very poor non-resident sales so far, which is to be expected since doe is closed first week

 
Antlerless used to be open three days and before that two days, both exclusive of the antlered season. Now it is open six and runs concurrently.
 
There might be another factor.

 

It is interesting to watch.  When this whole split season idea was being floated around several years ago, I had a discussion with a sitting commissioner about his vision.  It was mentioned that his hope was that as split seasons are added and expanded, antlerless licenses could be increased allowing for more non-resident sales of licenses. 

It does seem that the non-residents are not sweeping up all of these extra licenses.

ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter

ORIGINAL: eyesandgillz

You ok there Dardys?

I think he just wanted to be certain that he got his point across

 
No, not really.
 
I edited the post a few times -- I noticed a typo.  I have no idea why it showed up three times.

ORIGINAL: psu_fish

2F has sold out within days last few years. The increase in tags and closing of first week really hurt sales this year. The old 2 or 3 day doe season pre AR/HR is irrelevant

 
It is obvious that you were not attmepting to get a tag back in the 2 and 3 day seasons where a lot of times residents didn't draw a tag, let alone non-residents or having bonus tags available, so it is relavant based on simple supply and demand.  There is a supply right now that doesn't have a demand.  I doubt it has anyything to to with the change in seasons form two weeks to six days. 

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ORIGINAL: DarDys

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2F has sold out within days last few years. The increase in tags and closing of first week really hurt sales this year. The old 2 or 3 day doe season pre AR/HR is irrelevant

It is obvious that you were not attmepting to get a tag back in the 2 and 3 day seasons where a lot of times residents didn't draw a tag, let alone non-residents or having bonus tags available, so it is relavant based on simple supply and demand.  There is a supply right now that doesn't have a demand.  I doubt it has anyything to to with the change in seasons form two weeks to six days. 

I always got my Clarion County doe tag for the 3 day season. Never had a problem drawing one since I was 12, I'm now 25.


At times I wish the PGC would go back to county wide tags instead of WMU.

 
13 years is not that long ago.  In fact, that is well within the bonus tag era -- HR or not.

About time the PGC stopped the slaughter of does in 2F during rifle season.
Thank you PGC !!

what for even one minute makes you think that will be the case for the 2011 season...

Are you forgetting they issued roughly 11,852 more tags this year than last.. so even if another tag never gets sold this year there are almost 7,000 guys with tags RIGHT NOW... they did not have any last year.. that(11,852 extra tags)could easily equal at least another 1,000 dead does in 2011 ...

#1... guys got tags this year that didn't last year .. some non-residents got tags for the first time in 4-5 years..

#2.. as you see in a reply above -- some 2F hunters are able to get "bonus tags" and many of them were or ARE probably very successful at harvest deer each year and will take advantage of the extra tags this year...

#3.. Many of the successful 2F deer hunters are not worried about the "buck only" days because they know where the deer are... and will just wait til Saturday and with the added pressure of "first day of doe" harvest a buck or doe then or the next week. . no big deal to them... they have "put in the time"..

So in spite of the buck only first 5 days.. I'll bet the antlerless harvest will be higher than 2010.. If for no other reason than the pressure from that first Saturday and the extra 10,000 tags...


We would ALWAYS come to camp the week-end before the first day of the lottery and put the apps in the mail box right in front of the court house late Saturday afternoon....and I can NEVER remember not getting a tag for 2F.. NEVER !!!!

And facts show more bucks are killed on that first Saturday when it is also the first day of doe season.. so what's your point.. ??

the harvest (antlerless) for 2F .. IMHO will still be better than in 2010...

has nothing to do with rockets it's about killing deer.........

For 2F ???

ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

Are you forgetting they issued roughly 11,852 more tags this year than last... that(11,852 extra tags)could easily equal at least another 1,000 dead does in 2011 ...

 
Doc predicts an 8% () success ratio for 2F doe hunters.

#2.. as you see in a reply above -- some 2F hunters are able to get "bonus tags" and many of them were or ARE probably very successful at harvest deer each year and will take advantage of the extra tags this year...

 
Doc predicts the majority(many) fills their tag and moves onto the 2nd tag.

#3.. Many of the successful 2F deer hunters are not worried about the "buck only" days because they know where the deer are... and will just wait til Saturday and with the added pressure of "first day of doe" harvest a buck or doe then or the next week. . no big deal to them...

 
Doc says it is easy to get a deer in 2F, reguardless of the season structure, yet "worries" that adding 1 Sunday  to the season will make deer scarce.


Conclusion:  Doc is wishy-washy and has himself completely fooled or Doc is a habitual liar.  I just don't know without his crystal ball.

but as long as we continue to sell as many tags as we do .. I think most HUNTERS think the deer hunting is just fine in 2F...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibqH_mao_1E

The want to be comedian tull posted these jokes

Doc predicts an 8% () success ratio for 2F doe hunters.

what I said was .. the extra tags could == easily equal at least an extra 1,000 dead does -- that's not what I call a 8% prediction ... sure there will be at the least an 8% success rate.. I never said a thing about hunter success rates ... where did you get that garbage???
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then he comes with this one == [:

Doc predicts the majority(many) fills their tag and moves onto the 2nd tag

Where I went to school "many" has never equaled a "majority" of anything...

many is many(more than a few) and a majority is more than half.. at least that's what I learned in high school but maybe Tull never made it that far
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then this one..

Wouldn't "those not buying" already create extra tags?

NOPE.. If they issued 22,000 in 2010 and sold out there were NO EXTRA TAGS... it did not matter if people bought or not they sold out.. then they issue 34,000 tags that allows for people who do not buy this year, people who have never got one before and even those that buy but have no intention using.. the added 14,000 is what created the extra tags... but I did not go into alot of details about it ... I figured most of the folks here would realize an added allocation of 14,000 would created 14,000 extra doe tags.. should have know you would not understand my point
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Here's an award winner ==

If Ford doesn't sell enough cars, do they build extra to make up for lack of sales?

I do not think Ford is trying to control the population of Fords in Pa or any specific WMU
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and finally he made this up ==

Q: Since when do "happy hunters" fit into the deer management equation?
A: Only when it fits Docs "current" argument.

NOW.. NO WHERE did I post or say anything about "happy hunters".... nor did I mention the deer management program... just more BS made up by tull , so he can say he has added something to a discussion on this board...

ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

The want to be comedian tull posted these jokes

Doc predicts an 8% () success ratio for 2F doe hunters.

what I said was .. the extra tags could == easily equal at least an extra 1,000 dead does -- that's not what I call a 8% prediction ... sure there will be at the least an 8% success rate.. I never said a thing about hunter success rates ... where did you get that garbage???

 
You truly are an idiot.  1000/11852= 8%  these are your numbers.

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then this one..

Wouldn't "those not buying" already create extra tags?

NOPE.. If they issued 22,000 in 2010 and sold out there were NO EXTRA TAGS... it did not matter if people bought or not they sold out.. then they issue 34,000 tags that allows for people who do not buy this year, people who have never got one before and even those that buy but have no intention using.. the added 14,000 is what created the extra tags... but I did not go into alot of details about it ... I figured most of the folks here would realize an added allocation of 14,000 would created 14,000 extra doe tags.. should have know you would not understand my point
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You truly are a nitwit.  I quoted you talking about this year and you change it to last year.  There's no cure for stupid.
 

NOW.. NO WHERE did I post or say anything about "happy hunters".... nor did I mention the deer management program... just more BS made up by tull , so he can say he has added something to a discussion on this board...

 
Let me help your sorry self once more, actually it was just today and you forgot what you said:
 
8/6 Doc:  IF and when 2F starts selling less that the average doe tags we have sold over the years.. MAYBE then the PGC should think there may be a problem and hunters are not happy.. but as long as we continue to sell as many tags as we do .. I think most HUNTERS think the deer hunting is just fine in 2F...
 
Doc, honestly...you need laid.  I can beat you up all day just using what you have said in the past.  I have near a thousand posts on this site and I'll bet you can't find ONE contradiction on my part.  When you tell the truth, you don't have to remember what you said.  You contradict yourself the same day, sometimes the same post!