Pymy fish story.

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2011/06/22 12:56:31 (permalink)

Pymy fish story.

Not sure what to make of this but I figured I'd throw it out there. My old man was fishing pymy last week and was reeling in his bait, (A live minnow) and he said a large silver fish with black horizontal stripes grabbed it about 10 feet from shore. After getting the thing close to landing a few times the line snapped.

As soon as he told me the story I said "Did it look like a striped bass?" and he said that's the only thing it could have been.

Now, he's been fishing pymy since before I was born so I'm willing to take him at his word, but has anyone else ever seen a striped bass in there? Or does he need to get a stronger prescription on his fishing glasses? :) Just curious.
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    wade alexander
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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/22 13:38:16 (permalink)
    ya looked it up white bass or striper
    post edited by wade alexander - 2011/06/22 14:02:03
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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/22 13:58:26 (permalink)
    No they are in there sunfish.  My uncle caught about a 12-15lb fish last summer at the causeway.  I had a picture of it.  I've also heard stories of other guys catching even bigger ones.

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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/22 14:08:58 (permalink)
    Where there are alewifes, there are Stripers
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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/22 15:12:43 (permalink)
    Cool! Thanks guys. First I've heard of them being in there. My old man will rest better knowing that he wasn't losing his vision, or his mind!
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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/22 15:27:22 (permalink)
    I caught an 8 pound striper out of there (south of casueway) a couple years ago while fishing for musky. 
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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/22 18:01:25 (permalink)
    I caught a striper out there last month while drifting for walleye (Eerie Dearie w/ live crawler)- no scale, but I estimate it was 8-9 lbs.

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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/22 18:55:31 (permalink)
    When they go on a feeding frenzy, watch out!!! During the summer months,they'll school up and feed on minnows near the surface. All you see and hear is splashing. Great fun, they'll hit almost anything you throw at them.
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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/23 22:17:08 (permalink)
    my daughter caught a 27 in striper near spillway a few weeks back there in there just not alot of them

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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/24 11:19:02 (permalink)
    I know they are in there, I've seen the photos. But where did they come from ? The state didn't stock them or they didnt publish it, did they ? If so, I missed it. Hybrids are sterile, so there is no natural repro in there for them. I can see someone putting in a fish or two, but to have mutiple anglers catching them over the last few years. The state or a private club had to put them in there. Anybody know ?
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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/24 12:27:13 (permalink)
    JEB beat me to it, where did they come from? I know theres white bass in there, but since you guys are saying theres huge fish in there like 15lbs, they cant be whites. I looked at the biologist reports on the PFBC website and they didn't say anything about hybrids. Assuming you guys are talking about hybrids, the only way there would be wild fish in there is if there were also regular striped bass in the lake(which there aren't), and even if there were, it is still very rare for them to cross in the wild.
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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/24 13:16:03 (permalink)
    Guys I don't know how much truth there is to this so take it with a grain of salt....apparently years back there was discussion between Ohio and PA about putting them in there.  The idea was taken to a vote and denied.  And now these fish are turning up....my thoughts are they were put in anyways. 
     
    I was there when my uncle caught that fish and it was every bit of 15 lbs.  I actually estimate it to be a little bit more but I didn't want to post that and have a ton of backlash from guys telling me I was out of my mind.
     
    I wish I still had the pic on my blackberry but I don't.  I'll check the home computer tonight to see if I might have uploaded it to my computer at any point.  If I do I'll be sure to post.
     
    On a similar not a few weeks after my uncle caught that fish I got wind of an old timer who's a local using chicken livers at night and caught 2 over 30 lbs in a 3 day stretch.  I was never told a location, name of guy, or anything like that so I just left it as a story rather than a fact.....who knows...it could be true.

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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/24 13:55:58 (permalink)
    Read in the Trib today that they were accidently released into the lake a few years ago.  They may raise them at the hatchery in Linesville for other stockings and must of got into the lake somehow is all I can figure.  I know that if the algae screens aren't checked often they will blow out and allow the fish to escape in the lake.  However, that would be in the propagation area.
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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/24 13:56:01 (permalink)
    Does the hatchery raise hybrids? I don't think so but if they do there could be some escapees......

    Edit: Flying Fish and I must of posted at the same time.
    post edited by troutguy - 2011/06/24 14:41:40
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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/24 20:32:31 (permalink)
    Here are some excerps taken from a Post Gazette article last Sunday.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11170/1154456-358.stm


    When striped bass hybrids are purchased as fry, they are reared to fingerling size at PFBC hatcheries. When received as fingerlings, they are directly stocked into waters.

    The PFBC stocks striped bass hybrids and striped bass, however, they are not produced in Pennsylvania by the commission. Out-of-state sources, through a national fish exchange, are used to secure the supplement requested by area managers for release in Pennsylvania.

    "We just do not have easy access to a broodstock for striped bass in Pennsylvania," said Larry Hines, PFBC northern regional production manager, in a written statement. "Hybrids also complicate the problem because we need white bass at the same time to cross with the pure striped bass to make hybrids. Other states can produce the fish much more efficiently and easily than we can."



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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/24 23:48:05 (permalink)
    Contacted the man at the Linesville Hatchery and received this email back.
    Good man not afraid to answer questions in a very short time...Kudos to him...






    Dear Mr. Crosby,

    Yes, there have been some hybrid striped bass caught in Pymatuning Reservoir over the last couple of years. We believe the source of these fish was escapement from our Linesville Fish Hatchery. We get all of the hybrid striped bass we stock from other states. In the past, we would send a stocking truck or two to wherever we located these fish and would bring them back to Linesville to sort them and break them up into individual lots for stocking into the waters in the hybrid striped bass program. Occasionally, some would escape from the hatchery and make their way into the Pymatuning Sanctuary. Apparently, some made it over the spillway and into the main lake where they were caught by anglers. We no longer bring the hybrids to Linesville prior to stocking, so there is no more escapement occurring and the numbers of hybrids being caught by anglers is gradually declining.



    Feel free to call or email if you have any further questions.



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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/25 00:54:08 (permalink)
    off topic but bings ur avatar is tits 
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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/25 09:28:05 (permalink)
    bings, i couldn't agree more. those guys were always upfront and honest. nice to know there are a few big ones swimming around there.

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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/25 10:55:51 (permalink)
    I think it's great he was willing to own up to what may have happened.  The last part about the number declining just seems to be thrown in there.  This thread is about the number of catches going up and just about all of us having stories of people we know catching them.  My cousin even pulled a smaller one through the ice this past winter.  I wouldn't agree with the number of catches going down.

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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/25 12:39:17 (permalink)
    tt, i have been fishing that lake for almost 40 years and have never heard of one being caught or even seen a pic of one except on here. maybe i am in the wrong place at the wrong time. which makes me wonder if the lake could sustain a fishable, though stocked, hybrid population or if they would be a threat to the walleye fry and fingerlings being stocked.

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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/25 13:06:41 (permalink)
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    which makes me wonder if the lake could sustain a fishable, though stocked, hybrid population or if they would be a threat to the walleye fry and fingerlings being stocked.


    In my opinion that's why that guy said that the number of catches are on the decline....so that the population of walleye anglers doesn't get angry.  With the news reports of the talks of them being in there, and then a few "accidentally slipping into the hatchery water, and the accidentally falling over the spillway" things just don't add up.  I know that you may not have caught them but I know 2 people who I was actually fishing with at the time they caught them, they are other numerous reports on here of them being caught (all within the last few years), and all at different sizes......so bottom line I'm finding it hard to believe that a few just "slipped" over the spillway....unless there are even more in the hatchery waters than we even imagine.  There are just to many coicidences going on here.
    post edited by TastyTrout - 2011/06/25 13:07:22

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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/25 13:31:06 (permalink)
    Beleive what you want. He is a no BS sort of fellow and has always been upfront with answering questions,

    He happens to be a fisheries biologist and not one that forms his opinions on my cousins brothers uncle said.

    He never stated when the last batch of hybrids were raised at the facility, may have been the last couple years and would account for some small ones. Beleive what you want.



    I pray they never do stock them, don't need that "Arthur Circus" there too....
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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/25 13:51:19 (permalink)
    +1

    Tim is one of the best that the PFBC has - he knows his stuff and will tell you what it going on.

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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/25 14:00:01 (permalink)
    bings, i believe it was him that answered a pointed question about alewives in the lake honestly. i couldn't believe it, he was upfront as you can be. he will never make it as a politician .

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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/25 18:53:28 (permalink)
    He also answered my question about the walleye snagging at the spillway.
    Wasn't really the answer I wanted to hear but it was the right answer..

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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/25 21:11:40 (permalink)
    Just for a reference this is a photo of a 15 lb. Hybrid Striper I took out of a local Pa. lake. These are awesome fighting fish especially when the get up and over the ten pound mark. This is the largest we have taken to date but have caught many in the double digits on the scale. I beleive there was a 20 lb. plus Striper caught in the 70's in upper Shenango River. I saw the picture years ago at the Hot Spot Bait Shop in Jamestown. For some reason I don't think the Fish Commission keeps records on Hybrid Stripers . Maybe I'm wrong on that.

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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/26 01:50:13 (permalink)
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    which makes me wonder if the lake could sustain a fishable, though stocked, hybrid population or if they would be a threat to the walleye fry and fingerlings being stocked.


    In my opinion that's why that guy said that the number of catches are on the decline....so that the population of walleye anglers doesn't get angry.  With the news reports of the talks of them being in there, and then a few "accidentally slipping into the hatchery water, and the accidentally falling over the spillway" things just don't add up.  I know that you may not have caught them but I know 2 people who I was actually fishing with at the time they caught them, they are other numerous reports on here of them being caught (all within the last few years), and all at different sizes......so bottom line I'm finding it hard to believe that a few just "slipped" over the spillway....unless there are even more in the hatchery waters than we even imagine.  There are just to many coicidences going on here.

    he has no need to lie and has always given good info. i grew up on that lake and if you want info hes the man to see...and you would be extremely surprised to see many walleye are caught in the dog days of summer in shallow water. move the snap of your hot 'n tots to the front and hit the north end or wherever the shad hatches are. just sayin'
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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/26 08:11:41 (permalink)
    Ive caught a few also of various sizes.I feel like mbings does I dont want to see them in pymatuning,Im just as happy as can be that pyma is coming back!!!!!!! I dont want anything screwing it up ect.Im a crappie,perch and walleye fisherman as far as im concerned hybrids are just a freshwater carp!!!!. No doubt they are there!!! Want hybrids go to authur or shenango!!!just my feelings!

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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/26 13:54:39 (permalink)
    "as far as im concerned hybrids are just a freshwater carp!!!"

    As opposed to the saltwater Carp, you usually find in Pa.?

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    RE: Pymy fish story. 2011/06/26 20:02:08 (permalink)
    I think you guys misread my post somehow. In no way was I calling this guy a liar by any means. What I was saying is that I don't believe that the fish in there are a result of fish slipping through. The man himself and I quote said "We believe the source of these fish was escapement from our Linesville Fish Hatchery", (meaning they aren't sure either).

    What I was saying is I don't see how a few slipping over is what caused these fish to be in there. Once again, wasn't calling the man a liar. It seems that he's given honest answers in the past regardless of what they are, which is great.
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