" I think it was pretty clear that the director gave the ok to use trail cams but RSB stated by "Law" they are illegal to use on SGL."

Good grief! Exactly how hard IS your head? Once again, RSB did NOT say that he, or ANY other WCO would cite someone for a trail cam.

Tell you what. Compile a list of those who were cited, or the LE statistics listing the number of citations ( if any ) written for doing nothing but placing a cam on game lands. The we can continue this discussion about this terrible "problem".

The law is, as the law is written. Written law states one thing, Director states differently. Doesn't matter if anyone has been sited or not. Law is Law ! Never said it was a problem either. I said it could be. Maybe you need to go back to the bigging of this thread and catch up. Apparently you seem a little disoriented.

ORIGINAL: spoonchucker

" I think it was pretty clear that the director gave the ok to use trail cams but RSB stated by "Law" they are illegal to use on SGL."

Good grief! Exactly how hard IS your head? Once again, RSB did NOT say that he, or ANY other WCO would cite someone for a trail cam.

Tell you what. Compile a list of those who were cited, or the LE statistics listing the number of citations ( if any ) written for doing nothing but placing a cam on game lands. The we can continue this discussion about this terrible "problem".

" Basically in the case of the Game Commission there are the laws (in Title 34) that have been enacted through the Legislative process. Then of equal legal authority and enforcement we have the regulations (in 58 Pa Code) that have been enacted by the Board of Commissioners under the legal authority within the laws granted to the Commission to establish regulations consistent with the laws (you can find that authority primarily Section 2102 of Title 34 though there are also other sections of the law that will further relate to various regulations)."

Thank you for the reply. I am truly not trying to pick nits. But did you not write that backward. I believe, and I might be wrong. That it is the LAW under title 58 (Pa code) that is enacted legislatively. And the REGULATIONS under title 34 ( Game & wildlife code ) that are enacted by the BOC, under the authority granted by TITLE 58.

Since title 34 relates specifically to Game & Wildlife, but Title 58 refers to ALL commisions ( Fish & Boat, Game, Gaming, Boxing, etc. ). This would almost have to be the case.


I suspect you were just thinking of the two titles in reverse as you typed.

you sure picked the right type person to represent you guys.. devils !!! LMAO

Notice who is the HAPPY GUY !!!!!!

and this tells me alot about you ====

I was going to respond to this, but realized you aren't worth the time.

But relpied anyhow ..... and that's a logical thinker ???????

Guess I'm a nitpicker then.
Doc here is the reason you adhere to the law and not what you were told by your local WCO.
39 years it was okay till a new WCO came into town...

I didn't know it was illegal to consume alchohol on Gamelands, better check those hikers and hosreback riders....





The Three Point Sportsmen’s Club, located near Clarence, has held children and senior-citizen trout fishing rodeos for 39 years. Their events have become northern Centre County traditions — large community affairs involving the club’s biggest fundraisers of the year. More than 250 children registered for last spring’s event.

According to club secretary Jeff Horner, the funds are used to support the organization’s cooperative trout nursery.

“The Fish and Boat Commission supplies us with trout fingerlings each year and we feed and stock them,” Horner explained. “The two fishing derbies provide the money for us to feed the trout.”

At least nine streams are stocked by the club each spring, including Eddie Lick Run, Little Sandy Run, Wolf Run, Six Mile Run and Black Moshannon Creek. The club has had a cooperative trout nursery in Centre County since 1972.

The fish are also used to support their derbies, which are free to participants. Revenue is generated by the club by selling food, drink and holding raffles at the events. It is the “drink” part that caused a run-in with the Pennsylvania Game Commission.

Late in May, just a day before their children’s derby, the club was visited by new PGC Wildlife Conservation Officer Dan Murray, who had been recently assigned to that northern Centre County district.

According to Northcentral Law Enforcement supervisor Rick Macklem, there have been numerous drug and alcohol violations on State Game Lands 100. WCO Murray was just out familiarizing himself with his district and visited SGL 100 to check things over. At an SGL parking area, Murray discovered garbage cans overflowing with trash that included beer cans.

The Three Point Sportsmen’s trout nursery and the ponds that they use for their trout rodeos are on SGL 100, where they hold a lease to run the trout hatchery. Richard Biggans, long-running club president, was nearby preparing for the club’s Children’s Rodeo when Murray happened by.

“The new officer asked me about the beer cans,” Biggans said. “I replied with, ‘Isn’t that where the trash is supposed to go — in the trash cans?’

“Well, let’s just say that we both made wrong first impressions,” Biggans continued. “During the conversation, he told me that it was illegal to drink alcoholic beverages on state game lands, and I told him that we would be selling beer to the adults at our rodeos the next day. (Murray) said that was a real problem.”

According to Biggans, the organization was allowed to move ahead as planned with their Children’s Rodeo on May 29, and Senior Citizens’ Rodeo on June 3, because it was so close to the scheduled events. However, Murray told him that things would have to change. A meeting would be set up between the club and the commission this summer.

“We thought that we were in all kind of trouble,” Biggans said. “Rumors started, and we all thought that the Game Commission was going to stop our rodeos, gate the road and shut down our hatchery. We didn’t know what to think.”

Rumors brewed and grew during June and much of July.

Fortunately, all of the rumors are now behind them. A meeting between the commission and the club was held on July 16, and details were worked out to allow the club to continue holding their rodeos on SGL 100.

“There was absolutely no truth to the rumor that we were going to shut the club down. However, they were in clear violation of two Game Lands rules — holding a large-group event without a permit and selling alcohol,” Macklem said. “Anytime an event with 10 or more people is held on a game lands, a permit is needed. The club agreed to get the permit, keep the area clean, and we have an understanding that they will never sell or serve alcoholic beverages again, he continued. Everything is now kosher.”

Club officers commented that what started out as a bad situation has turned around to where the club now has a better relationship with the commission.

“They are working with us now. We just need to get the permit,” Horner said.

Biggans agreed. “I can’t say anything bad about Murray. He was just doing his job and I didn’t know the rules.

“The meeting went real well and we used the opportunity to discuss getting power to our hatchery. We have trouble keeping our trout alive on a hot summer like this one, and we’d like power to be able to run oxygenators. Now we have to rely on an old generator that doesn’t work very well and it costs us a lot for fuel.”

According to Biggans, their club is now on the agency’s “fast track” for permission to get electrical service.

“I’m sure that there will be some grumbling about not having beer at our rodeos, but we won’t sell alcohol again. Officer Murray even offered to help us next year,” he added.


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Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/07/24/2853214/cooling-down.html#ixzz1T1IfQoIV

ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

you sure picked the right type person to represent you guys.. devils !!! LMAO

Notice who is the HAPPY GUY !!!!!!

and this tells me alot about you ====

I was going to respond to this, but realized you aren't worth the time.

But relpied anyhow ..... and that's a logical thinker ???????

 
What I wrote was that it wasn't worth it to respond to you -- meaning taking the time to refute each and every one of your misguided, short-sighted, idiotic, illogical, opiniated without basis in fact drivel, that just shows how dumb some people can be and they don't mind proving it in a public forum.
 
The 30 seconds or so that it took me to post a cartoon, which was done as an experiment of sorts, took no effort at all, and I am sure was found to be happyu by those that are not so bitter about anyone having a different point of view.  What was the experiment that utilized selfdepricating humor to prove a point?
 
It was an experiment designed to get your response in order to clearly point out that you see those that have a difference of opinion as devils or evil that must be defeated at all costs, even if those costs include exposing how ill informed and unthinking you are.  That you, like  RSB who's progression of thinging is "ask questions, you're a nitpicker, you're a nitpicker, you're not 'one of the good guys,'" which would logically progress to having an attitude which in turn means that you are a goon or a thug -- or perhaps a devil.
 
The logical and critical thinkers do not blindly follow orders, like the poor sap with the wheel barrow, but rather ask questions, seeking to further their knowledge base before making an informed, adult decision.  And sometimes, just sometimes, the devil is in the details.  And sometimes, just sometimes, some people are so stupid they're happy.

BINGS ==

I see your point but what I was mainly trying to point out is that when it first started it may not have been against law and as time pasted it was just never looked into or the event was just accepted and any "law breaking" was overlooked..

I'm not that familiar with it so it's just guessing on my part.. but you are right it may have been a "new sheriff" in town or maybe someone just "blew the whistle" on the event to "stir the pot"

any way I am glad it got resolved...

I understand the point about different LEO enforcing laws to different degrees, but I think part of that is just human nature and most folks know it goes on and don't worry about it unless they get "busted" then the "sour grapes" take effect and at times, for some folks, last forever.

ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

It was an experiment designed to get your response in order to clearly point out that you see those that have a difference of opinion as devils or evil that must be defeated at all costs,

You must be one of those "deep thinker types"... has nothing to do with me thinking those with opposing views are evil or devils ... I just found it interesting you chose that cartoon and chose to make the logical thinkers the devils... I'd have done a better search for a better cartoon myself..

I'm way to shallow to do all the interpretive thinking you do ... the less deep thinking the better is my motto... I find that far less stressful... and stress is one thing I have never had to deal with.. I just do not let things bother me that much and I can always laugh at myself.. something I am sure you do not allow yourself to do...

I'm a pretty much go with the flow type guy.. the average joe ,.. hanging right on the "norm" and I love being there .... I think that is why I am happier and over all healthier than alot of 66 year old guys I know...


ONE BAD point === I'm easily taken advantage of and am WAY to trusting of others...

when all is said and done ... I'm a pretty much "go with the flow", "don't rock the boat" type guy..

question === why is the poor guy pushing the wheel barrow a sap ????

I'd say he is alot like me.. going thru life smiling, whistling, and happy even when dealing with evil, negative, or bad situations... they (devils) are not getting thru because he does not want to accept them... acepting their logical thinking would be sad, evil, depressing etc, etc.. he just keeps on truckin along happy as a "lark"

and that in your opinion is a sap... and why you and I would probably agree on very little in this world...

 
Like I said, it took 30 seconds because that was what response was warranted.
 
As for a response to this post, I won't even spend the time searching for a picture of an ostrich with its head stuck in the sand.