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RE: Early buck pics 2011/06/18 19:48:55 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

bout Why I am even bothering replying I have no idea == but here goes...


#1 I own 7 acres here... it is actually 4 different properties (deeds) as an adjoining property (camp) comes up for sale I buy it.. plain and simple... one property, 2 acres that's where I live.. the next one over (south)is 1.5 acre and has a trailer on it... another (1.5 acres)is on the the north border and has a small camp on it. the last is a two acres piece across the "lane" and is only an open field (pasture) for the horses.. Much of all four is fenced for the horses and has salt blocks and water tubs in them somewhere..

#2.. There are two hemlock groves within about 600 yards of my properties. one about 400 yards away to the West the other about 200 yards to the South...on SGL .. since all the properties but the big pasture are adjoining I call them my home (house)... why not ?? would you not consider them that ???

The corn feeder is behind the main house and is only about 60 feet from the bedroom window... there are 4 salt blocks out for the horses year round .. and one I started putting out last year for trail camera picture and it is about 300 yards South from where I feed the corn,... ALL ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.....

and as I have stated I control them all legally except for the pasture blocks ... and they are surrounded by electric fencing...

so == say what you want.. I'm 100% legal and have no problem dealing (hunting) the way I do.. maybe some are just jealous ??



and I have ALWAYS stated I thank GOD I started planning for this type of retirement years when I started coming to our family "deer camp" here in 1960 ...


all the properties together make the exact shape of an "L" with SGL on all out side edges, and my 2 acre pasture on the inside edges...

so fire away guys.. after 10 years of it from you same guys I am use to it and will not just stop posting no matter how hard you try


First of all let me make it perfectly clear that I don't care if you leave your salt blocks out during archery or feed corn after Christmas. I also realize that if the PGC fully enforced the law thousands of acres would be off limits to deer hunting in the very areas where they want to reduce the herd .

While you are correct that you are not doing anything illegal by leaving you salt blocks out or feeding corn after Christmas, that would not prevent a WCO from posting your property and adjoining properties as a baited area. As I understand the regs a WCO only has to determine that minerals or bait was present during hunting season in order to post an area off limits to all hunting. However, if a male bear decided not to hibernate and found your corn you might be guilty of illegally feeding bears.
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RE: Early buck pics 2011/06/18 20:20:50 (permalink)
There is nothing illegal or unethical about hunting near food plots or crop fields. I don’t even know where people started getting the idea it was illegal or unethical to hunt near food plots or crops other than some people seem to have a problem with hunters planting food plots in the woods then hunting near them. I don’t see anything about that even and certainly isn’t illegal.
 
It is illegal though to place any grains, salt or other minerals or any other food out to attract wildlife and then hunt for that wildlife within 30 days of all residues having been removed. The law excludes anything that is the part of a normal agriculture, drilling or mining process. That basically means that as long as it is growing there in a normal manner or a mineral there from mining or drilling it is not unlawful to hunt near it.
 
I grew up in farm country and we did almost all of our archery hunting and much of our gun hunting on trails that were leading to the farm crops. The Game Commission also plants thousands of acres into food plots each year and there is certainly nothing illegal or unethical about a hunter hunting the trails leading to those food plots or even sitting and watching for game in those food plots.
 
Those food plots and farm crops feed a lot of wildlife throughout the year and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a hunter harvesting a few of them. In fact when it comes to the deer feeding on the farm crops those are the deer hunters should be trying to harvest. It certainly doesn’t make any sense for hunters to feel unethical and avoiding killing a deer that is feeding on the farm crops only to have the farmer kill it then for crop damage.
 
I am a hunter and I will continue to hunt the trails that lead to food plots and perhaps even farm crops on occasion though I can’t think of any place I hunt in recent times where a deer would be going to a farm. I don’t feel the least bit unethical about it either.
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RE: Early buck pics 2011/06/18 20:38:05 (permalink)
I used to hunt Beaver in areas baited with alcoholic beverages. Is that illegal?

Get Informed, Get Involved, And Make A Difference.

Step Up, or Step Aside


The next time you say "Somebody should do something", remember that YOU are somebody.

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RE: Early buck pics 2011/06/18 20:47:01 (permalink)
Note that RSB did not address the issue of DT having salt blocks out during archery or feeding corn after Christmas. I wonder why?
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RE: Early buck pics 2011/06/18 22:41:27 (permalink)
RSB did address it, but as usual you can't understand the facts he posts,.

It is illegal though to place any grains, salt or other minerals or any other food out to attract wildlife and then hunt for that wildlife within 30 days of all residues having been removed.



Putting corn or salt on MY PROPERTY during archery is not illegal if I am not archery hunting nor is it illegal to have it there after Xmas, AGAIN ... as long as I do not hunt there within 30 days of it being there... .....


why is that so hard for some of you guys to understand ??????

As for the bear idea, I think you will find the law states it is illgeal to feed bears on purpose .... bird feeders are not intended to feed bears, nor is my corn pile, but you can be made to take them down or fined if they attract bears and a problem or complaint is filed... check the rules before making silly comments....



post edited by Dr. Trout - 2011/06/18 22:50:23
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RE: Early buck pics 2011/06/19 01:39:59 (permalink)
Putting corn or salt on MY PROPERTY during archery is not illegal if I am not archery hunting nor is it illegal to have it there after Xmas, AGAIN ... as long as I do not hunt there within 30 days of it being there... .....


why is that so hard for some of you guys to understand ??????



WHO doesn't understand ?????? You bait your own property fine. But what about the guys hunting those deer coming in to "your" bait "off" of your property ? You just don't get it, do ya ?
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RE: Early buck pics 2011/06/19 14:43:53 (permalink)

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RSB did address it, but as usual you can't understand the facts he posts,.

It is illegal though to place any grains, salt or other minerals or any other food out to attract wildlife and then hunt for that wildlife within 30 days of all residues having been removed.



Putting corn or salt on MY PROPERTY during archery is not illegal if I am not archery hunting nor is it illegal to have it there after Xmas, AGAIN ... as long as I do not hunt there within 30 days of it being there... .....


why is that so hard for some of you guys to understand ??????

As for the bear idea, I think you will find the law states it is illgeal to feed bears on purpose .... bird feeders are not intended to feed bears, nor is my corn pile, but you can be made to take them down or fined if they attract bears and a problem or complaint is filed... check the rules before making silly comments....






The fact that you don't hunt the area where you are placing the feed does not negate the fact that you land and the adjoining land could be closed to all hunting by a WCO. Here is what the regs say about baiting.

"Taking Advantage of Food or Bait: It is unlawful to hunt in or around
any area where artificial or natural bait, food, hay, grain, fruit, nuts, salt,
chemicals or minerals, including their residues, are used, or have been
used within the past 30 days, as an enticement to lure game or wildlife
regardless of the type or quantity. Hunters are responsible for ensuring
that the hunting area has not been baited before they begin hunting. They
should physically inspect the area and question landowners, guides and
caretakers. This section does not pertain to hunting near areas where ac-
cepted farming or habitat management practices are taking place (example:
hunting near food plots on game lands is legal). Any natural or manmade
nonliving bait can be used to attract coyotes for hunting or trapping. "

If you put out corn during the last 2 weeks of archery you wouldn't just be guilty of feeding bear, your land and adjoing land could be closed to bear hunting for baiting bear within 30 days of the season.


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RE: Early buck pics 2011/06/19 20:58:10 (permalink)
If you put out corn during the last 2 weeks of archery you wouldn't just be guilty of feeding bear, your land and adjoing land could be closed to bear hunting for baiting bear within 30 days of the season.



==== More BS from deerfly =====

what an arse .... putting out corn (which is not illegal)is in no way considered feeding bears .. where do you come up with your BS ?????

you are amazing as to how far you will push an issue just to see your name in the thread...



UNBELIEVABLE..

if there are no bear == no hunters === in the area or coming to the bait how could it be baiting bear..

GET REAL !!!!!!

I have NEVER seen a bear here in over 50 years .....

What is your POINT ???

I am doing nothing illegal ????


post edited by Dr. Trout - 2011/06/19 21:04:32
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RE: Early buck pics 2011/06/19 21:14:47 (permalink)
That is a nice try DT, but once again you are in total denial. If you put out corn during the archery season, you are not only attracting deer but you are also attracting turkeys and squirrels. That means that your property and the adjoining properties could be closed to all hunting and it doesn't matter whether you are hunting that property or not. The simple fact that other hunters may be hunting the adjoining property and benefiting from the fact that you are feeding is enough to restrict all hunting on your property and adjoining properties.
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RE: Early buck pics 2011/06/19 22:00:56 (permalink)
That is a nice try DT, but once again you are in total denial



WHAT ???


total denial about what ??

I am doing nothing illegal... show me ANYwhere it is illegal to put feed out on MY property 24/7 ... year round .... if I am not hunt near it ????
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RE: Early buck pics 2011/06/19 22:21:27 (permalink)
I didn't say you were doing anything illegal. You are correct that you can feed wildlife all year long, but that also means that you and no one else can legally hunt in the area that is effected by your feeding activity.
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RE: Early buck pics 2011/06/19 22:52:41 (permalink)


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