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2011/05/04 21:11:00 (permalink)

geneva swamp

are you allowed to fish here? and are there any fish here
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/04 21:54:46 (permalink)
Yes you can. I haven't fished there for a few years, but it's been described by some as a hit or miss lake. It has a fish in it known as, I think a "Bowfin" or "Bowfish". A fish dating back to prehistoric times. You'll know it when you catch one, Because you'll say to yourself "What the he!! is this?"


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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/04 21:55:17 (permalink)
yes its electric only its connected to conneaut so should be anything from there in it...ive seen big pike and heard bout bowfin 
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/04 23:27:06 (permalink)
There are tons of bowfin in there...I have caught some nice bass and some real big pike also...Just watch out for the snakes come warmer weather...I stop going there once the weather warms up because you'll spend more time trying to get the snakes out of and off your boat then fishing...

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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/05 01:30:27 (permalink)
lots of bowfin if you get one kill it it is an invasive spices and is takin over there gona end up everywhere down stream if we ant carefull but there is nice bass and pike in the heard of some monsters in there good luke if you go
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/05 01:41:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Righty Kreh 2021/06/11 13:18:09
thunderpole,

Bowfin are NOT an invasive species, but they ARE a candidate species. As such, anglers are encouraged to release them.

Get Informed, Get Involved, And Make A Difference.

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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/05 05:05:05 (permalink)
lol bowfin been around forever man
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/05 08:18:31 (permalink)
nice to see you joined wade.  this place gets crazy. search "fish pics" grab some popcorn and get ready to have another hernia laughing
post edited by bigben7 - 2011/05/05 08:19:41
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/05 10:17:15 (permalink)
Thanks spoonchucker. Saved me a few keystrokes.

Fishing the swamp is a blast, but the hit or miss comment couldn't be more true. If you're there about an hour and don't get any hits, it could be a long day. But, if the bite is on, hold on to your rod.

I fish there often and love it. Bowfin aren't good eatin, but they are one hell of a fight.
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/05 11:15:10 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: spoonchucker

thunderpole,

Bowfin are NOT an invasive species, but they ARE a candidate species. As such, anglers are encouraged to release them.

 
Way to go Spoonie !!! I was just going to post the same thing !
 
Thunder Rod, You should do a little research before you start spoutting off information that is not correct
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/05 11:21:43 (permalink)
Wirenut :
I've caught Bass, panfish & a red fin pickerel in there. Before you guys say red fins are not native to our watershed & it was prob a baby pike, I had a photo of the fish positvley ID'd the PAFBC. They didn't believe me when I told them where I caught it, but there are a few of them in there or was at least one !
I want to hit  the swamp again for Bowfin, trying to knock another species off of the list. 
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/05 14:09:29 (permalink)
hello mr grant :)P
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/05 15:48:23 (permalink)
Jeb, Cutbait is the way to go for the fins. They will hit live shiners and gills, on most days, but even on the slowest of slow days they always will hit something that is dead and stinky.
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/05 17:01:38 (permalink)
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Jeb, Cutbait is the way to go for the fins. They will hit live shiners and gills, on most days, but even on the slowest of slow days they always will hit something that is dead and stinky.

are you talking bout catching a gill & cutting it up for bait or something else? also, never saw a bowfin ,what kind (size) of tackle do you use?
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/05 18:11:15 (permalink)
medium action spinning rod and 8 or 10lb test mono will do fine and if you want a bowfin then check your pms
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/05 18:20:54 (permalink)
jeb tried to pm you some info but your box is full let me know when there is room in it and i will pm you.
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/06 01:43:22 (permalink)
sorry my bad fellas dont mean to insult anyone i hate those dam bowfins never seen so mush slime in my life i think we could do wit out them just an opinion tho and for the record iv NERVER killed one personaly i cut my line and throw the back
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/06 07:38:29 (permalink)
Just one more fish in the sea....and yeah, lots in the swamp.
Certain sections of french crick, and Sugar & conneaut lakes...
Here's some info if anyone's interested... http://www.bowfinanglers.com/index.html
The recipes sound killer! Thanks for the link palerydr
*disclaimer* ~ as mentioned bowfin are a 'candidate species' in PA & must be released unharmed.
http://www.fishandboat.com/pafish/fishhtms/chap8.htm
post edited by Pork - 2011/05/06 07:39:29

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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/06 07:42:33 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: streamerfisher1

jeb tried to pm you some info but your box is full let me know when there is room in it and i will pm you.
not sure what pm box is or how to do it, but if grand son shows me i will. also dont know bowfins, but went to minn. for eelpout contest last ice season , they are really slimy, so that won,t bother me. also,not afraid of snakes so no prob., unless some kinds are protected. dont want the MAN to fine me for having some rare snake in boat!!!
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/06 10:48:39 (permalink)
Just to be clear, I have never seen anywording (except for perhaps the quote)suggesting that you Must return bowfin.

the followed in a link to the LAW regarding endangered/threatened/candidate species and the wording is "Encouraged"...

in just about any OTHER waterway I would surely release a bowfin, these are Very rare catches... however the upper french creek and the lakes that at their headwaters clearly seem to be something of an exception.

this fish commission I think did a poor job on the wording on Chapter8.
ORIGINAL: Pork

Just one more fish in the sea....and yeah, lots in the swamp.
Certain sections of french crick, and Sugar & conneaut lakes...
Here's some info if anyone's interested... http://www.bowfinanglers.com/index.html
The recipes sound killer! Thanks for the link palerydr
*disclaimer* ~ as mentioned bowfin are a 'candidate species' in PA & must be released unharmed.
http://www.fishandboat.com/pafish/fishhtms/chap8.htm


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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/06 10:58:29 (permalink)
Good call jolie...
here's the quote from chapter 8...
As a Pennsylvania candidate species, bowfins must be released immediately unharmed.


and here's a link to PA code 75.3 ~ candidate species... http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/058/chapter75/s75.3.html
with the quote being:

§ 75.3. Candidate species.
(a) General. The species listed in subsections (b) and (c) are considered candidate species which could achieve endangered or threatened status in the future. They are subject to seasons, size, creel—bag—and possession limits specified in this subpart. A person who catches these species is encouraged to release them immediately and unharmed to the waters or other area from which they were taken.


confused yet?

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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/06 12:13:43 (permalink)
Pork,

There are open seasons, and creel limits on some "candidate" species, on some waters. The Bowfin is not one of those species, thus they must be returned.

Get Informed, Get Involved, And Make A Difference.

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The next time you say "Somebody should do something", remember that YOU are somebody.

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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/06 12:21:32 (permalink)
lots of bowfin if you get one kill it it is an invasive spices and is takin over there gona end up everywhere down stream if we ant carefull but there is nice bass and pike in the heard of some monsters in there good luke if you go


I bet there is a sizable group of people who actually think like this.

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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/06 13:01:06 (permalink)
My pleasure pork.... figured we'd get some interestin posts on this. Them ol boys down in chanty town (geneva) been eatin them critters their whole lives. Fun fish to catch but theyz mean as a snapper and twice as ugly IMO...lol
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/06 13:05:34 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: spoonchucker

Pork,

There are open seasons, and creel limits on some "candidate" species, on some waters. The Bowfin is not one of those species, thus they must be returned.


I'm calling you out, spoon...

Nowhere have I EVER seen anything officially saying they "MUST" be returned (except of course this chapter8 of PA fishes). consider this Q&A

http://www.fishandboat.com/images/pages/qa/fish/bowfin.htm

there again is the EXACT same wording... "encouraged".

and again the same wording on this page

http://www.fishandboat.com/water/fish/snakehead/snakehead.htm


This article uses the word "urges"...
http://www.fishandboat.com/endngre.htm


Instead, the summary is exasperatingly vague beyond those without a specific length/ or season. (for example, freshwater drum,aka sheepshead & bullheads aren't listed). Although it is pretty clear on species they want returned (like Hickory shad, paddlefish and mussels/clams).

so how is that a fish would need named, to have a season, with the summary saying "Other gamefish"???

I think common sense is needed. If your fishing in a water full of bowfin, a couple kept to see what they taste like is reasonable in other places, put them back- they meant to be in PA and aren't (at least in most places).
post edited by jolie - 2011/05/06 13:07:16
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/06 13:09:38 (permalink)
Thunderpole, you must be thinking of snakehead which kind of looks like bowfin. You are supposed to kill snakehead, but not bowfin.
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/06 13:32:29 (permalink)
its illegal to bonk them on the head and throw them in the weeds...

it says you are encouraged to return them ... 

if i tried to geuss what that means im sure id be wrong lol
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/06 14:04:40 (permalink)
Question I enjoyed looking through the new Gallery of Fish with descriptions and additional information about the different species of fish in Pennsylvania. I have a question about Chapter 8's fish, Bowfin. I have been fishing Presque Isle Bay for many years and have never caught a Bowfin. On the other hand, we vacation for two weeks every August on Conneaut Lake, and in the last few years although fishing for Bass and Musky -- we caught more Bowfin than any other species. If they weren't so aggressive and hard striking, they would almost be a nuisance. We release all of them. However, two summers ago some of the bait shops in the area were telling people that the Fish and Boat Commission was asking fishermen to kill them when caught because they were crowding out other predatory game fish in the lake. Is this true?

Answer Bowfin are a very unusual and unique fish in Pennsylvania. Your approach to these fish seems just about right.  The Fish and Boat Commission does not suggest that anglers kill them. In fact, bowfin are listed as a "candidate species," which means that anglers are strongly encouraged to return any fish caught to the waters from which they were taken. If any members of the Commission staff made comments about killing bowfin in the past, they were certainly not reflecting the views of our fisheries biologists. In a couple of waters in Northwestern Pennsylvania, bowfin seem to have come on really strong in the past couple of years. This may reflect good reproductive success perhaps brought on by just the right environmental conditions. Just as the PFBC does not advocate waste of bowfins, we do not want them to be released in waters outside the native range of this very unusual fish.
http://www.fishandboat.com/images/pages/qa/fish/bowfin.htm
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/06 15:21:24 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: wade alexander

its illegal to bonk them on the head and throw them in the weeds...

it says you are encouraged to return them ... 

if i tried to geuss what that means im sure id be wrong lol



also, I think it would be illegal to "Bonk" ANYFISH and leave it in the weeds. Came out of the ruling that it was illegal to leave gut a fish & leave its entrails before leaving the stream/lake.

someone more anal than I can go get the exact wording.

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something about this thread is rather silly. bowfin look like a blast to catch- I'd love to catch one. If your fortunate enough to catch this rather unique fish- enjoy the fight.

for something New- Has anyone been to the swamp recently? whats it like in high water & does it muddy up easily?
Just curious.

hopefully, this is the year I make it up there :)
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RE: geneva swamp 2011/05/06 15:53:59 (permalink)

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ORIGINAL: sunfishhunter

Jeb, Cutbait is the way to go for the fins. They will hit live shiners and gills, on most days, but even on the slowest of slow days they always will hit something that is dead and stinky.

are you talking bout catching a gill & cutting it up for bait or something else? also, never saw a bowfin ,what kind (size) of tackle do you use?




Here is a pic of a bowfin, a good bait to use is a Double cowgirl like the one in the fishs mouth. The bait is about 10 inches long. Got this one on a figure 8

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