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2011/04/17 19:29:39 (permalink)

Rainbow/Brook Hybrid

Anybody ever hear of this? I never have, and could not "google" anything on the matter.
I caught this guy today and it looked like a rainbow trout with the exception of the WORM marks or squiggles normally characteristic of a brook trout on the back. Rainbows usually have spots on the back. Very interesting none the less.






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    ahcrappie
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/17 20:06:33 (permalink)
    Never heard of anything like that - but that's a cool looking trout.
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/17 20:10:19 (permalink)
    Very unique at the least.
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/17 21:02:04 (permalink)
    Think it's called a "tiger" trout.
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/17 21:14:55 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: pensfan1

    Think it's called a "tiger" trout.


    A "tiger" is a brook-brown hybrid. This appears to be a rainbow-brook hybrid.

    This is a tiger I caught last year. They look a lot different.

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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/18 09:56:41 (permalink)
    Tiger bass
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/18 11:12:33 (permalink)
    Nope thats a tiger, they have differnt degrees of coloration. The state does not stock Tigers anymore only clubs.
    Here is a Brook-bow hybrid image from a private hatchery.
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/18 12:09:14 (permalink)
    looks like a stocked trout to me...



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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/18 13:14:54 (permalink)
    It does have a lateral line like a bow does, but I've seen many color variations on pics of Tigers. I never caught one, so I'm no expert. But It would be pretty hard for that to happen in nature (brook/bow) but there are a few wild tigers. Should have kept it and sent some DNA samples to a lab, CSI style, haha !
    I would bet it's just a Tiger with strange color, but you never know. It doesn't look like the ONLY image of a brook/bow that I've ever seen.
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/18 16:44:50 (permalink)
    You can rally see the purple/rainbow marks on the fish's side though. That's what make me think brook-bow.
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/18 18:09:51 (permalink)
    looks like a pellethead to me bro
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/18 19:29:13 (permalink)
    There has been funky looking browns stocked this year. This appears to be one of them. It is my understanding that the fish commission no longer stocks tiger trout.

    REMEMBER KEEP ALL THAT YOU CATCH AND CATCH ALL THAT YOU CAN KEEP OTHERWISE THEM FISH BECOME hOOK sHY!

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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/18 22:29:04 (permalink)
    the gene pool at pa hatcheries is totally mixed.... but that trout is a tiger and they do indeed have varying degrees of coloration... gotta love the pelletheads lol lol

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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/19 08:36:34 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: JEB

    Nope thats a tiger, they have differnt degrees of coloration. The state does not stock Tigers anymore only clubs.
    Here is a Brook-bow hybrid image from a private hatchery.



    This picture creeps me out....look at that little kid in the back...
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/19 10:20:07 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: DJ2007

    You can rally see the purple/rainbow marks on the fish's side though. That's what make me think brook-bow.



    It just kind of looks gray to me, like a concrete raceway.
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/19 10:20:49 (permalink)
    The fish pictured by the OP looks like a typical stocked bow to me, complete with busted jaw.

    DJ's fish looks to be a stocked brown.
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/19 12:46:19 (permalink)
    Bow/burpit hybrid called a borpit. Need to lay it on brick to see if it curls to be 100% sure u no.

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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/19 18:01:25 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: D-nymph


    ORIGINAL: DJ2007

    You can rally see the purple/rainbow marks on the fish's side though. That's what make me think brook-bow.



    It just kind of looks gray to me, like a concrete raceway.

    Your right! But those gray areas look like the purple ovals on a wild rainbow, all along the side.

    Like this:


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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/19 18:04:08 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Cold

    The fish pictured by the OP looks like a typical stocked bow to me, complete with busted jaw.

    DJ's fish looks to be a stocked brown.


    I really don't see any brown in that mutant.

    This is a stock brown from the same stream/same day
    post edited by DJ2007 - 2011/04/19 18:05:41
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/19 19:18:26 (permalink)
    Looks like a brown. The gill plate looks like a browns. Who knows.
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/20 07:08:21 (permalink)
    That's almost certainly a tiger trout. Rainbow trout don't have spots that low on the gill plate. Tiger trout are very rare in the wild (browns and brookies having different numbers of chromosomes), but they can be breed fairly easily in hatcheries. The Fish Commission was doing some experimental stocking of tiger trout for a while, but as far as I know they've stopped. That doesn't mean there aren't still a few specimens in their hatcheries.

    Additionally, as was mentioned, commercial hatcheries produce the fish and so they can be stocked by private organizations like sportsmens' clubs.

    I've caught a few in Pennsylvania in recent years, including an 18 inch in Meadow Run and a few in Loyalhanna Creek (a nicely colored specimen is pictured below).



    The Loyalhanna tigers were almost certainly stocked on the Rolling Rock property upstream. 
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/20 07:13:39 (permalink)
    You can see three color variations of the tiger trout here:



    The fish on the very bottom is a splake.

    I've caught tigers that ranged from almost completely silver to deep orange and brown.

    post edited by fishink - 2011/04/20 12:13:30
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/20 11:34:26 (permalink)
    What is a splake?
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/20 11:51:23 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: fishinpreacher

    What is a splake?


    Lake Trout/Brook Trout hybrid.
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/20 12:05:06 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: DJ2007
    I really don't see any brown in that mutant.

    This is a stock brown from the same stream/same day



    You've never caught a stocked brown trout that was as pale as the one in your picture?

    Also...every brown youve ever caught in a given stream always have similar coloration?

    Your catch = fresh stocked brown, from what I can see in that pic. Nice fish, but not a tiger.
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/20 12:16:44 (permalink)
    I guess the feature that could cause some confusion would be the dark oval markings visible along the fish's lateral line. With a fish that size, it's likely that they may just be parr marks which appear on young trout.

    Here are some prominent parr marks on a small brook trout.


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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/20 12:21:47 (permalink)
    Rainbow trout don't have spots that low on the gill plate.


    Oh okay...







    I dont know wtf I was thinking.
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/20 12:50:09 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Cold

    The fish pictured by the OP looks like a typical stocked bow to me, complete with busted jaw.

    DJ's fish looks to be a stocked brown.


    I agree. 

    I have seen quite a bit of variability in the markings/coloration of the concrete tard variety of trout.
    post edited by Esox_Hunter - 2011/04/20 12:52:00
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/20 13:06:05 (permalink)
    Cold: My mistake. It should have read they don't typically have spots that low on the gill plate. The part of the gill cover (operculum) which becomes deep red during spawning is usually devoid of spots. That's the case even in the last picture you posted.



    It's not always the case, of course. There are a lot of color variations. But in this case, the combination and location of worm like markings and general coloration leads me to believe that this is a tiger trout. I could certainly be wrong.
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    RE: Rainbow/Brook Hybrid 2011/04/20 13:09:17 (permalink)
    This is a (very silver) tiger trout caught in Meadow Run in Fayette County.


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