If memory serves me right those percentages are the percentages of the HARVESTED BUCKS.. so they do not neccassirly included all the bucks in the area...

But they represent a much larger sample size, than the bucks in the Buck Mortality study where only 33 bucks were being tracked in all of 2G.

ow about posting the figures for 2010 to compare to 2001... I'll bet they are 1000% different

And they would also be meaningless since they would be much less representative of the entire buck population than the 2001 survey.

would expect Allegheny, Beaver and those areas around the bigger cities to have fewer spikes.. they get to eat alot better in those areas than the "big woods" and have alot less pressure from hunters.. and live longer so they do get bigger...

The buck in 2B and 5C that are huntable are subject to a lot more hunting pressure than the buck in 2G. The deer in 2G have all the food they need just like the buck in 2B. If the soils in 2B were as poor as the soils of 2G, the food the deer ate would be low in calcium and phosphorus and the deer would have smaller racks just like the buck in 2G.

That is because you believe the PGC propaganda and ignore the factual data the pGC provides regarding herd health and deer densities. The history of the herd in 2G shows it can support a healthy herd of 25 DPSM for extended periods , so it is obvious that with a deer density of only 8-9 DPSM the deer have more than enough to eat.

answer me this then...

If (you say) the deer are at 8-9 dpsm in 2G WHY oh WHY is the herd not growing with all that good food and habitat ???


hunters are only average killing about 2.9 total deer per square mile for the past 5-6 years .... why are the other 5-6 not reproducing ???

heck 2F is killing an average of 5.0 and the herd is growing in a fair to good habitat in the best areas... and some folks say there are only 10dpsm here...

If (you say) the deer are at 8-9 dpsm in 2G WHY oh WHY is the herd not growing with all that good food and habitat ???

I'll answer that. I've said for years that at a bit below 10 dpsm predators and natural causes can keep a deer herd in check and that concern has been raised on parts of The KQDC where the numbers are less than that and they are not getting the fawn recruitment that was expected.

The foresters on 2F claim there are still more than 10dpsm on most of the ANF ranging from 4 to 20 with an average a bit above 12.

You guys just want to argue about anything...

feed your deer mainly Ca and P and see what you get

I'll feed mine carbs and proteins and I know mine will be in better shape than the Ca and P diet deer....
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do the math

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0.45% calcium.
0.30% phosphorus
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0.75% less than 1%.. not very much in my book
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I said

and some folks say there are only 10dpsm here...

and S-10 posted some folks say it's 12 .. BIG DEAL... around here it's about 20dpsm

then he posts that he thinks KQDC has less than 10dpsm and I just posted in this very thread a 2009 report that states plainly ===

Deer density for the KQDC area in 2009 was 15.3 deer/square mile

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guess it's time to leave this thread die too.............

0.45% calcium.
0.30% phosphorus
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0.75% less than 1%.. not very much in my book
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I said quote:

and some folks say there are only 10dpsm here...

and S-10 posted some folks say it's 12 .. BIG DEAL... around here it's about 20dpsm

then he posts that he thinks KQDC has less than 10dpsm and I just posted in this very thread a 2009 report that states plainly ===

1. That's because you are trying to picture a pile of minerals like you picture a pile of corn. It doesn't work that way. Do a little research if you want to debate.
2. I posted the 12dpsm to explain why 2F deer may be increasing in spite of predators even as the 2G with 8-9 isn't. It's a fine line where predators offset reproductin and the line is somewhere below 10dpsm.
3. Read the KQDC full report and you will find there are areas with 26dpsm and areas with 4 dpsm and it's in those areas they are seeing potential problems.
4 Don't get all fired up until understand what you are reading.

PS-- Try growing your high carbs and protein forage without calcium and the other minerals and see how far you get.