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The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
The Pennsylvania Board of Game Commissioners today gave final approval to a regulatory change to allow for the hunting of starlings, English sparrows, opossums, skunks, groundhogs and weasels during legal hunting hours of the spring gobbler season. The Game Commission staff noted that this change will increase opportunities for hunters pursuing these species without creating unacceptable conflicts with spring gobbler hunters. I don't know about you guys, but I just can't wait to get my first spring skunk!! What a joke 
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/13 10:01:37
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Great, Now this puts hunters in the turkey woods using rifles and no FO is required for spring Gobbler. Nice going Pa Gas & Timber Co aka PGC ! They surely can't manage game !
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/13 10:33:55
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It's not a joke, it's a great thing. As I've complained about before, so many of our fish and game laws were created only for the purpose of making law enforcement easier. Now that's a joke. Why punish groundhog hunters during turkey deason?
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/13 11:57:20
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It would not have been a joke if they just exempted groundhogs, but including weasels and skunks definitely made it a joke. Next year they'll include porkies so foresters can kill them on site all year .
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/13 15:27:32
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ORIGINAL: deerfly
It would have been a joke if they just exempted groundhogs, but including weasels and skunks definitely made it a joke. I'm not following or something. No matter what they do it's a joke?
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/13 15:45:38
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There is a good reason you are not following,I left out the "not".
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/13 18:48:59
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Anyone have a good weasel recipe? I get tired of cooking them the same way all the time....WF
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/13 18:59:22
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will increase opportunities for hunters pursuing these species without creating unacceptable conflicts with spring gobbler hunters. I don't get this one AT ALL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't understand how adding these species to be hunted will not create conflicts with turkey hunters...???? Not alot of guys hunting other speciers in spreing season.. now they have sevral species they can hunt... sorry turkey hunter sitting there calling turkeys all camoed out...... I'm after passing thru hunting starlings, possums, and skunks ....
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/13 19:14:57
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I think his is a prime example of how far the PGC is removed from the thought process of the average PA hunter. I have been reading the PGN for over 50 years and have never seen an article on hunting starlings,sparrows weasels or skunks and the same applies to porkies. Apparently ,whoever is writing the press releases is a non-hunter that doesn't know the difference between hunting and killing.
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/13 19:43:56
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They are dumb like a fox. Look how they have got your focus shifted to the silly small fry items while they INCREASED the DOE LICENSES by 87,000. You pro PGC guys should be smiling ear to ear. Next year we can all debate once again why Pa is losing deer hunters at 10 times the national average. They inflated last years deer harvest by nearly 9,000 bucks and Rosenberry says it is insignificent but hey, who cares.
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/13 22:03:55
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Lemme get this straight-- You "HUNT" tweety birds in PA? If I did that here Id be in the clink and my name would be on the front page. BTW -how many tweets does it take to fill a fry pan? Used to think it took too many Woodcock. 87,000 new doe tags-- must be a real overpopulation there. Now I know why you guys have 'deer wars'. I do know one thing though- Id be real pi@@@d if I was hunting Turkey and somebody came through blasting tweetys and blowing a weasel call while they carried around a sack of smellly kitties. I would like a Possum tail for my trucks antennae though. WOW
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 07:59:28
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ORIGINAL: S-10
They are dumb like a fox. Look how they have got your focus shifted to the silly small fry items while they INCREASED the DOE LICENSES by 87,000. You pro PGC guys should be smiling ear to ear. No smiling here. Just searching for answers. Beyond me what is going on in 2A this year.
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 09:10:09
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They are dumb like a fox. Look how they have got your focus shifted to the silly small fry items while they INCREASED the DOE LICENSES by 87,000. You pro PGC guys should be smiling ear to ear.
No smiling here. Yeah really, not sure where S-10 comes up with some of these things.
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 09:24:24
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ORIGINAL: S-10
They are dumb like a fox. Look how they have got your focus shifted to the silly small fry items while they INCREASED the DOE LICENSES by 87,000. You pro PGC guys should be smiling ear to ear. Next year we can all debate once again why Pa is losing deer hunters at 10 times the national average. They inflated last years deer harvest by nearly 9,000 bucks and Rosenberry says it is insignificent but hey, who cares.
I doubt they are that smart and the increase in tags shows they don't give a rip about what hunters think or say. If they are that ignorant that they think they can hide the increase by not listing last years allocations or the total number of tags issued they aren't very smart, just arrogant. I think by now most guys who oppose the DMP have given up all hope of seeing any positive changes and just ignore the latest nonsense about hunting skunks and starlings.
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2011/04/14 11:19:14
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With Pa once being a prime area for whitetail deer and the PGC destroying the herd population, one has to to relate to hunting other so called game. Many Jr's are loosing interest because of the lack of deer so maybe with sparrows,skunks,porkys,opossums,and weasels now available to hunt license sales will increase. Ya think ??
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 11:51:21
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190k antleress and 120k bucks killed last year hardly constitutes a "lack of deer" by any stretch.
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 11:57:33
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Many empty camps up north and processors going out of business, Why's that ? ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter
190k antleress and 120k bucks killed last year hardly constitutes a "lack of deer" by any stretch.
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 12:03:21
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ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter
190k antleress and 120k bucks killed last year hardly constitutes a "lack of deer" by any stretch.
I agree. Still some of the best deer hunting in the country.
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 12:05:29
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People no longer see 40 does and 2 spikes a day up there so it isn't "worth it" to them to go to camp now that they may have to work to find some deer. I know plenty of people who still hunt the big woods up north with great success. They absolutely love it that they have great hunting all to themselves because your average hunter is to lazy to put any effort forth..
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2011/04/14 12:05:34
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Many empty camps up north and processors going out of business, Why's that ?
Because of a population shift. Less deer up north will lead to less folks headed that way to hunt. Leasing down here in SW Pa. is gaining momentum.
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 12:07:53
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dpms, that is certainly another valid point.
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 12:09:43
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190k antleress and 120k bucks killed last year hardly constitutes a "lack of deer" by any stretch.
Compared to 203K buck and 300K antlerless in 2000, that certainly constitutes a lack of deer in many areas.
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 12:12:38
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Certainly not in your area though 
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2011/04/14 12:18:59
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Northern hunters are lazy. I knew there was a logical explanation to it. ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter
People no longer see 40 does and 2 spikes a day up there so it isn't "worth it" to them to go to camp now that they may have to work to find some deer.Â
I know plenty of people who still hunt the big woods up north with great success. They absolutely love it that they have great hunting all to themselves because your average hunter is to lazy to put any effort forth..  Â
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 12:21:12
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Lemme get this straight-- You "HUNT" tweety birds in PA?
If I did that here Id be in the clink and my name would be on the front page.
BTW -how many tweets does it take to fill a fry pan? Used to think it took too many Woodcock.
87,000 new doe tags-- must be a real overpopulation there. Now I know why you guys have 'deer wars'.
I do know one thing though- Id be real pi@@@d if I was hunting Turkey and somebody came through blasting tweetys and blowing a weasel call while they carried around a sack of smellly kitties.
I would like a Possum tail for my trucks antennae though.
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rg, about the tweety birds, I doubt many guys intentionally hunt them but they are invasive, non-native species and it has been pretty much open season on them for as long as I can remember. Definitely still great hunting in the majority of western pa, esp. SW PA from say 219 west....other areas, I couldn't personally comment on because I haven't been there but many of the counties in south western pa, I have hunted in them or spent enough time driving through and walking around them to know there is still great hunting to be had.
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 12:25:32
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Also up north as well. Hunters are tired of the way the herd is managed. Many property owners as well as the ones that lease are closing off their properties for the public to hunt. They will manage the herd the way they feel it should be managed.Pay to hunt is very popular and will continue to rise as the way things are headed. ORIGINAL: dpms
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Many empty camps up north and processors going out of business, Why's that ?
Because of a population shift. Less deer up north will lead to less folks headed that way to hunt. Leasing down here in SW Pa. is gaining momentum.Â
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 12:30:34
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Many empty camps up north and processors going out of business, Why's that ?
Because of a population shift. Less deer up north will lead to less folks headed that way to hunt. Leasing down here in SW Pa. is gaining momentum.Â
The population didn't shift from the northern tie to the southern tier counties from 2000 to 2010. What happen happened is the high antlerless harvest reduced the herd as planned in the northern tier ,but was less successful at reducing the herd in the southern tier counties. The result is there has been a significant change in the distribution of the harvest. Since 2000 hunters in 2F have seen the harvest decrease by 66% and in 2G it decreased by 63%. However what they don’t see is how the distribution of the harvest has changed from 2000 to 2010. In 2000 the combined harvests from 2F and 2G made up 12.5% of the total statewide harvest and by 2010 it had dropped to 6.3%. At the same time the combined harvest in 2B and 5C increased from 9% in 2000 to 15% in 2010. If you just look at the antlerless harvest rates for the same units the results are even more dramatic. In 2010 2F and 2G accounted for only 5% of the statewide doe harvest while 2B and 5C accounted for 20%. But the fact remains that the herd in the northern tier was not reduced because the herd was unhealthy or because the habitat couldn't support more deer. It was reduced for the benefit of DCNR and the timber industry, just like making porkies legal was done for their benefit.
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2011/04/14 12:32:13
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You are spot on eyes. The problem is finding access to hunt these properties. The smaller woodlots are tough to hunt for a person with out permission making deer population high. Many farms also have shut down to public hunting as well. ORIGINAL: eyesandgillz
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Lemme get this straight-- You "HUNT" tweety birds in PA?
If I did that here Id be in the clink and my name would be on the front page.
BTW -how many tweets does it take to fill a fry pan? Used to think it took too many Woodcock.
87,000 new doe tags-- must be a real overpopulation there. Now I know why you guys have 'deer wars'.
I do know one thing though- Id be real pi@@@d if I was hunting Turkey and somebody came through blasting tweetys and blowing a weasel call while they carried around a sack of smellly kitties.
I would like a Possum tail for my trucks antennae though.
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rg,
about the tweety birds, I doubt many guys intentionally hunt them but they are invasive, non-native species and it has been pretty much open season on them for as long as I can remember.
Definitely still great hunting in the majority of western pa, esp. SW PA from say 219 west....other areas, I couldn't personally comment on because I haven't been there but many of the counties in south western pa, I have hunted in them or spent enough time driving through and walking around them to know there is still great hunting to be had.
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 12:35:00
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I agree completely deerfly. ORIGINAL: deerfly
ORIGINAL: dpms
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Many empty camps up north and processors going out of business, Why's that ?
Because of a population shift. Less deer up north will lead to less folks headed that way to hunt. Leasing down here in SW Pa. is gaining momentum.Â
The population didn't shift from the northern tie to the southern tier counties from 2000 to 2010. What happen happened is the high antlerless harvest reduced the herd as planned in the northern tier ,but was less successful at reducing the herd in the southern tier counties. The result is there has been a significant change in the distribution of the harvest.
Since 2000 hunters in 2F have seen the harvest decrease by 66% and in 2G it decreased by 63%. However what they don’t see is how the distribution of the harvest has changed from 2000 to 2010. In 2000 the combined harvests from 2F and 2G made up 12.5% of the total statewide harvest and by 2010 it had dropped to 6.3%. At the same time the combined harvest in 2B and 5C increased from 9% in 2000 to 15% in 2010. If you just look at the antlerless harvest rates for the same units the results are even more dramatic. In 2010 2F and 2G accounted for only 5% of the statewide doe harvest while 2B and 5C accounted for 20%.
But the fact remains that the herd in the northern tier was not reduced because the herd was unhealthy or because the habitat couldn't support more deer. It was reduced for the benefit of DCNR and the timber industry, just like making porkies legal was done for their benefit.
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RE: The PGC Does Care About Hunters After All!!
2011/04/14 12:35:49
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ORIGINAL: Outdoor Adventures
Northern hunters are lazy. I knew there was a logical explanation to it.
ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter
People no longer see 40 does and 2 spikes a day up there so it isn't "worth it" to them to go to camp now that they may have to work to find some deer.
I know plenty of people who still hunt the big woods up north with great success. They absolutely love it that they have great hunting all to themselves because your average hunter is to lazy to put any effort forth..
You may not like it and yes it may be anecdotal, but I sure do hear plenty of people who are no longer hunting at camp make excuses that basically say they won't put in any additional effort, or in otherwords they are lazy. I always get a kick out of "I haven't hunted at camp in 5 years cuz their ain't no deer left up there" Gee, you haven't been there in 5 years, yet you already know there are no deer up there. The people I do know who still hunt the "deerless" zones of the north and put in a little time and effort are generally rewarded.
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