leolizard
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Good starter Rifle
I've been looking around recently for a good rifle, because I've wanted to start deer hunting. I was wondering what caliber would be good for me, a 13 year old, 5 foot 6, 115 pounds male. I'm leaning towards a lever action, maybe a 30-30?
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/12 15:41:06
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It has a lot to do with personal preference. I would probably go with a .243 in a bolt action rifle such as the Remington Model Seven. The 7mm08 is also a good caliber. Here is a chart to give you some idea of the recoil for a few well know deer calibers. Caliber Recoil [Foot Pounds] .243 8.4 .25-06 12.4 .270 15.7 7x57 12.2 .280 16.2 7mm Rem. Mag. 24.3 .308 14.8 .30-06 20.0 .300 Win. Mag. 27.2 .30-30 11.4
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/12 16:00:36
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Good suggestions there....those model 7's are sweet little shooters. In fact, that's all my dad uses anymore, in .243. Pleasure to carry in the woods. I started with a .35 lever, still use it in the brush. Have to ask though, considering the nature of the original post.... Leo, do you have any firearm/shooting experience? If not, I would suggest a .22 rifle. (not for deer; for practice) Bolt, lever, pump...whatever you're comfortable with & shoot a lot. Much cheaper shooting than a rifle, and less kick prevents bad habits *flinch* from developing. Just don't want you jumping into a high powered rifle without the experience to handle it. Plus, a .22's just fun to shoot.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/12 17:37:45
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Yeah, I have plenty of previous gun experience. I have several air rifles that I've had since I was 9., a .22, and a winchester model 12 sixteen guage. I think I'm gonna go with the 30-30. I like the lever actions short barrel, and I would be very unlikely that I would have to make a long shot where I live.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/12 17:54:21
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30/30 has probably killed more deer than any other caliber out there, in fact probably more than several of the others combined. That said, it did so only cause it was one of the few calibers around in the old days that was affordable and the guns and ammo were in plentiful supply. Truth is that IMHO it is a poor deer caliber. Yes I have taken deer with it in my early days but as soon as I went to a 06 I never looked back. The old 30/30 just doesnt have the knockdown power of the newer calibers and has a habit on not passing through for a decent blood trail -even with the heavier loads now available.. Those guys suggesting the .270 are spot on even though if I were starting now at 13 a looking for my first gun a 308. would also be on the short list. Quite honestly there isnt much wrong with one of the new rifled barrel shotguns either. A hundred yard shot is usually the farthest anybody ever shoots and usually much less than that. Those shotguns hit very hard and with the new rifled barrel are very accurate and very affordable. I have an affinity for the single shot but they make a nice bolt gun too. I have taken a lot of deer with a number of cartridges but the hardest hitting quickest Deer dropping of all was a slug from a shotgun. Good luck kid its nice to hear from a young guy starting out. Just remember its great to get a Deer but even greater to just be out there hunting. The woods themselves and the experiences out there are what make it so GREAT.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/12 18:33:55
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Get a good rifle and learn how to shoot. You are big enough that a 308, 270 or 06 is not gonna beat you up.Heck, when you shoot at a deer, you barely hear the gun go off....WF
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/12 18:48:33
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There are too many calibers out there to go with a 30 30 IMO. Not that its not a good gun, I have one, never use it. I also use a 243 and 7mm 08. I would recomend either of these two to anyone. Also I would never buy a rifle thats not a bolt action. I just like bolts. I would never hand a kid a lever action. Just me.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/12 19:05:25
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I highly recommend staying away from any lever action with a hammer that cocks and has to be let down by pulling the trigger. I have investigated way to many accidental discharge accidents with them. They simply aren’t a safe choice and especially for an inexperienced hunter. I have seen several cases where someone was shot after a young hunter had seen a deer, cocked the gun, the deer disappeared before they got a shot and they forgot to let the hammer down. I even saw an adult hunter walking around with one cocked this past season. I’ve also seen several accidental discharge accidents when the gun accidentally discharged during loading or unloading since each round has to be cycled through the chamber to unload it. If you want a good rifle that would serve you well for a lifetime of deer hunting I would probably go with a bolt action .270. R.S. Bodenhorn
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/12 19:25:30
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Have to agree with everything RSB says except I prefer the bolt 30-06 over the 270. I have a hole in my concrete porch floor from an inexperienced individual letting the hammer down after a woodchuck went in his hole. I was three feet from the receiving end of what was left of the bullet. It's one of those experiences that leave a lasting impression.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/12 19:35:41
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Good call on the lever RSB. Even experienced hunters can have trouble in real cold weather with the hammer slipping out of their thumbs just loading it...WF
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/12 19:36:26
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Not a big fan of 30/30 levers for first guns. Look at .243, 7mm-08, .308 in one of the shorter compact guns that every manufacturer is making. Be a gun you can hunt with for a long time or hand down to another young hunter.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/12 21:00:37
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Good points on the 30-30 guys. I actually hunted my first few years with a Marlin 30-30, but my dad put the extension on the hammer to make it a touch safer. While very popular, they are probably not the most kid friendly guns available. At 15 my dad bought me a Winchester model 70XTR Sporter in .270. The difference in recoil was barely noticeable from that of the 30-30. It is more than 10 years later and I still love my .270. Personally, I wouldn't dream of hunting deer with any caliber other than the .270.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/12 21:20:36
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You know those first shots you hear 45 minutes before daylight the first day of rifle every year; that's those 30-30's being loaded. A vote here for a 308.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/12 21:48:52
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You know those first shots you hear 45 minutes before daylight the first day of rifle every year; that's those 30-30's being loaded. Could be more truth than most would think.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/13 01:16:37
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See that Leo--even all the "old guys ' have favorite calibers but not too many like the lever in any caliber or the 30/30 cartridge itself. This even though most of them -me too- started with the 30.30. You can take years off the learning curve and get way ahead in your hunting experience by listening up here. You were smart to ask advice and are getting it from guys whos total deer harvest over the years is many many dozens of deer in many different circumstances. Please listen to what they are offering. You could do worse than picking up a slug barrel for that Winchester and sighting in dead on at about 50 yards. Would be a great starter gun for deer and its something you are already used to shooting. Good hunting.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/13 07:37:07
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Leo, Also keep in mind not all levers have hammers. The Savage 99 is an excellent and safe lever rifle(also my favorite). Remington pumps are another option. My .243 Rem pump will shoot cloverleafs @ 100 yards and reach out pretty far to shake hands with a ground hog. I'd recommend any short action caliber from .243-.30, have fun pickin'!
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/13 08:06:35
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I dislike the term "starter rifle." With the price of rifles these days, I would be inclined to spend a little more (even if you must save a little longer) and buy a slightly better rifle that more than likely in PA will serve you for a lifetime, not just get you started. I still have the Voere .270 I bought in 1972. I don't use it any longer because I "just had" to buy other rifles, but I could. In fact, I getit out and shoot it every year before deer season, jus tin case I decide to take it hunitng. A friend of mine still has the 30-06 Parker Hale he bought the same year and he still uses it every year. At the time, those rifles were about $50 more than the standard fare, but look at the payoff over the years. A rifle these days is an investment. Even inexpensive rifles aren't cheap. As for what one is right for you, only you know that. I suggest seeing and firing some rifles that friends own to see if you like them. No one would buy a car without test driving it and at your age, the investment is proportional. You may find that the longer bolt action required of a .270 or 30-06 is too long for you to operate. You may find that the thinner comb on the stock of a lever rifle hits you just a tad too hard under the cheek bone. You may not like the tell-tale rattle of the forearm of a pump. Who knows? The summer is a great time to try some of these things out. Good luck! And let us know what you bought.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/13 12:01:12
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So a 270. is a good caliber? I want something that is versatile.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/13 12:23:43
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A 270 can be used for anything from varmint with 100 grain bullets to black bear hunting with 180 grain Ballistics are close to a 30-06 30-30, 270, 30-06 and sometimes .243 shells can be bought anywhere and are often on sale You don't walk into K, Wallyworld or DlCKS and expect to find every new shell made
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/13 12:53:05
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The only detraction to a .270 in a bolt action rifle is that it requires a long action and hence a longer rifle. If you are of the physical size that that doesn't make a difference and the areas that you hunt does not require a shorter rifle, it is a dandy choice.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/13 13:55:26
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ORIGINAL: leolizard So a 270. is a good caliber? I want something that is versatile. Great cartridge if medium sized game is your intended target. I own two of them. It is a long action, meaning the gun will be a bit longer overall. Recoil is modest. Many, myself included, believe that 30 caliber is a bit more versatile. I wouldn't get hung up on a specific cartridge then go looking for a rifle in that cartridge. If you are new to firearms, find a gun that fells right to you then talk chambering. Just about every gun out there can be had in tons of different chamberings.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/13 13:58:07
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Glad to see you considering other calibers and guns Leo. Dardys makes a great point about your rifle lasting. Dont worry too much about a bolt being long- you will get used to it just like any new gun you purchase. It is after all most likely that first shot that will count the most. Excellent points about the variety of ammo making the 270 quite a nice gun for other game as well. Other calibers like the 06 have similar variety and like the 270 are readily available. The 06 hits harder and is great for larger game Remember whatever your choice is-practice-practice- practice. One of my sons got a great deal years ago on a .356 presentation grade Marlin from a guy who got it as a gift and had only put 10 rounds through it. The guy never hunted and really didnt want any gun. The gun shot great and was a great deer caliber -but you couldnt find ammo for it hardly anywhere and when you did it cost a LOT.The point being like you were advised earlier pick a style you like and then try and find it in a decent readily available caliber for the game you want to hunt. Leo- even though there may be a bit of different advice coming your way here each and every guy responding is happy as heck to hear from a 13 year old taking up the sport and getting involved we all certainly wish you well with whatever you pick. As you can see we all have somewhat different likes and dislikes in the way we approach hunting guns but there are certain similarities in what we are all saying to you- dwell on those similarities any you will do very well.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/13 14:09:38
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leo, where are you from? I live in SW PA in Fayette County. If you are near here, we can get together and do some shooting at my gun club. I have a 30-30, .270, .30-06, and a .243. I'll let you shoot them all, then you can make a decision.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/13 17:06:10
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ORIGINAL: btexpress leo, where are you from? I live in SW PA in Fayette County. If you are near here, we can get together and do some shooting at my gun club. I have a 30-30, .270, .30-06, and a .243. I'll let you shoot them all, then you can make a decision. Very nice offer btexpress ! If leo can't go I can make it. LOL
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/13 20:01:22
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Come on down. As soon as the Yough drops some, we can shoot and then hit the river for some stocked trout.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/13 20:08:43
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cant go wrong with a .25-06, 7mm-08, .243, .270 or 30/06 in PA
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/13 22:33:53
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ORIGINAL: btexpress Come on down. As soon as the Yough drops some, we can shoot and then hit the river for some stocked trout. I was only kidding, Thanks for the offer though.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/13 22:54:03
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I have owned a nice 30.30 in the past but they do have a very dangerous feature ( HAMMER SLIPS FROM YOUR THUMB IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE ) I experienced this on a cold day with gloves on out in the woods. I,m glad I was by myself and the round hit the ground a few feet away in front of me . You are 13 and there are a lot of good bolt action rifles out there that you would never outgrow. Be sure to be the safest guy out there and enjoy many good hunts. Lots of good advice posted above also hope you are wise enough to listen to experience from those who know.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/17 20:40:07
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I bought a model 7 Rem.243 for my son when he was 13,he's 6' 2" and 26 and he still shoots it.He shot plenty of deer with the cheap 100 gr. Rem. core lock junk loads that sell for 10 - 12 bucks on sale,but has switched to Federal premiums nosler partions that cost $50 a box but both sells cut holes at 100 yards. It's a tack driving deer killing little gun,I've also shot 7 does with it and they don't far.For deer its a fine little gun,with well placed shots.
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RE: Good starter Rifle
2011/04/18 11:10:00
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If you really want a lever action, look at the Browning BLR's and I would HIGHLY recommend the 243 it's probably the most versatile round out there. The BLR's have a removable clip so you don't have the issue of cycling all the rounds through the action to unload. As for the 243, my first trip to Montana I remember all of us PA guys getting 7mm Mags and 338's to go out. We got there and EVERY local hunter out there was using a 243. I saw 5 bull elk killed on that trip and every one was killed with a 243. I have used a Savage 99 almost exclusively since my grandfather gave it to me 30+ years ago. It's a 284 caliber and I love it, it's like my grampa and I are still hunting together every time I take it out. The 284 does have considerable recoil when target shooting though, but like someone said earlier you don't feel a thing when you're shooting at a deer... Good luck in your choice and let us know what you decide...
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