Youth Hunters -- Part II
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Youth Hunters -- Part II
I have no idea how why the "this is the best discussion ever" thread got locked, but it did. I wanted to respond to Doc, so here is Part Two to the Youth thread. "Dars.. sorry to hear about the lack of interest in the youth pheasant hunting, maybe part of it is an area thing... or maybe the reserve thing.. I don't know !! but an offer like that in this area where the PGC stocks pheasants .. I'd have you some many kids you could not handle it.... One youth event at the club that had a full house was when the local WCO and the PGC donated the materials for bluebird boxes and gave a presentation on bluebirds... answered any questions about wildlife.. then built boxes.." I doubt that it is an area or preserve thing. When I started messing with bird dogs about 15 years ago, there was one preserve within 30 miles and another small one starting up. Now there are 10 - 12 in the same radius. They wouldn;t be there if the business didn't support it. The PGC stocks several game lands within the same radius very heavily, because 1) there is a great interest in pheasant hunting and 2) the game land terrain is conducive to it -- if kids can't hunt the terrain in these game lands for 1 - 3 hours, they aren't going to make it deer hunting. I too thought as you did, I would get over run with kids. It didn't happen. They just don't care to go. Come to think of it, I haven't seen a youth deer hunting in the areas that I deer hunt since I was a youth -- and that was more than a few decades ago. I haven't seen a youth while out pheasant hunting, except during the youth season, in the last 10 or more years. Maybe if we were hunting bluebirds, that would be different.
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2011/01/03 11:30:42
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It got locked, because it broke down to foul language, and veiled threats.
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2011/01/03 12:05:00
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Interesting spoon. I didnt see any veiled threats, must of missed it. But i did see profanity and personal attacks. ] As for youth hunters, yeah, as i said in the other thread before it got hi-jacked, there have been some special youth pheasant hunts held around here, they were very lightly attended. Most adults arent pheasant hunters. Only stands to reason that most youth hunters wont be because of that either. Though some avid pheasanthunters exist, they make up a very small segment of our numbers overall. If we had pheasant numbers and wild birds like South Dakota, which aint never gonna happen, im sure the bird hunter numbers would increase. But it'll never take over the #1 spot in my opinion. Deer are where its at for most and always will be. As for most youths i know personally, they deer hunt because dad does. Some of them are taken squirrel hunting once in awhile though. Mostly to get some woods & gun handling experience on top of that which they get at the range etc. for "the main event".
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 12:33:52
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I agree with some of the points, many of the adult deer hunters I talk to who have kids with NO interest in hunting do not say anything about lack of game.. they say it's sports, school activities, or the kids just are not interested and have not been since a very young age. computers, ipods, wwiis, game boys, TV, cell phone texting( most of this area is dead in the woods for cell phone service), they just do not want to go.. many say it's the same with fishing.. the kids find it BORING .... waiting for a bite, just sitting quietly waiting for a game animal .. NOT FUN.. not worth it.. I'm lucky the two I sort of mentor have me for a fishing buddy and their dad for hunting... and BOTH harvested deer with their dads ... and the one boy even had his 16 year old sister harvest a deer... MOST of the local kids still hunt and some fish, but baseball, soccer, and softball takes up alot of their summer time free time. I ALWAYS have a tough time getting help for hay season...
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2011/01/03 12:39:36
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"I ALWAYS have a tough time getting help for hay season..." Gee, and one would think thats something kids would love and be fighting over who gets to do it. lol. I'm lucky the two I sort of mentor have me for a fishing buddy and their dad for hunting... and BOTH harvested deer with their dads ... and the one boy even had his 16 year old sister harvest a deer... Which may very well be why they are still interested and still hunting.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 12:46:28
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ORIGINAL: wayne c Interesting spoon. I didnt see any veiled threats, must of missed it. But i did see profanity and personal attacks. ] As for youth hunters, yeah, as i said in the other thread before it got hi-jacked, there have been some special youth pheasant hunts held around here, they were very lightly attended. Most adults arent pheasant hunters. Only stands to reason that most youth hunters wont be because of that either. Though some avid pheasanthunters exist, they make up a very small segment of our numbers overall. If we had pheasant numbers and wild birds like South Dakota, which aint never gonna happen, im sure the bird hunter numbers would increase. But it'll never take over the #1 spot in my opinion. Deer are where its at for most and always will be. As for most youths i know personally, they deer hunt because dad does. Some of them are taken squirrel hunting once in awhile though. Mostly to get some woods & gun handling experience on top of that which they get at the range etc. for "the main event". I guess I missed the threats, etc. too. I never said that pheasants were as big as deer hunting (but with 22% still buying a license and not hunting deer, they are hunting somehting other than deer). My point was, there is plenty of pheaant hunting and phesant hunters in my area. Yet there was very little interest in either the PGC youth hunting opportunity or the preserve youth hunt. My invitation for the PGC season went out to hundreds of parents, while the preserve opportunity went out to not only the general public through the publication in a 40K circulation newspaper (on more than one occassion), but it was also advertised via email and websites of preserves, kennels, etc. -- those that are tied to the sport of pheasant hunting -- with still very little attendance. The conclusion is that many youths are just not interested in hunting -- period.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 12:50:54
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ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout I agree with some of the points, many of the adult deer hunters I talk to who have kids with NO interest in hunting do not say anything about lack of game.. they say it's sports, school activities, or the kids just are not interested and have not been since a very young age. computers, ipods, wwiis, game boys, TV, cell phone texting( most of this area is dead in the woods for cell phone service), they just do not want to go.. many say it's the same with fishing.. the kids find it BORING .... waiting for a bite, just sitting quietly waiting for a game animal .. NOT FUN.. not worth it.. I'm lucky the two I sort of mentor have me for a fishing buddy and their dad for hunting... and BOTH harvested deer with their dads ... and the one boy even had his 16 year old sister harvest a deer... MOST of the local kids still hunt and some fish, but baseball, soccer, and softball takes up alot of their summer time free time. I ALWAYS have a tough time getting help for hay season... Kids had al those activities prior to 2004 and junior license sales were increasing from 1998 to 2004, but in 2004 they began to decrease. So what changed prior to 2004 that reversed the trend in sales?
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 13:04:36
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"I never said that pheasants were as big as deer hunting (but with 22% still buying a license and not hunting deer, they are hunting somehting other than deer)." Yep. I know of some who claim to ONLY hunt turkey. Ive also known of a couple that only trapped & predator hunt. That 22% is broken down a few ways. I know a couple very avid birders who love nothing more than a dog on point. But they too deer hunt. Though im sure there are some in the state who favor bird hunting and dont deer hunt. "My point was, there is plenty of pheaant hunting and phesant hunters in my area. Yet there was very little interest in either the PGC youth hunting opportunity or the preserve youth hunt. My invitation for the PGC season went out to hundreds of parents, while the preserve opportunity went out to not only the general public through the publication in a 40K circulation newspaper (on more than one occassion), but it was also advertised via email and websites of preserves, kennels, etc. -- those that are tied to the sport of pheasant hunting -- with still very little attendance. The conclusion is that many youths are just not interested in hunting -- period. " Some just arent interested in the "social gathering" climate of those special hunts, because they have their own group of hunting buddies. Also, I would say that most youths who have avid fathers/mentor who hunt a certain species...and are somewhat successful, dont feel the need to have their kids attend "special" youth hunts. I know our groups doesnt. We dont hunt small game these days, but many years ago when we did, if we wanted rabbit & probable shot or two at a couple ringneck, we knew where to go to find some of the birds that were stocked on the gamelands that flew over to neighboring properties. I mentor 2 youths that absolutely love the idea of turkey hunting (one already killed a deer and son of hunting buddy that doesnt turkey hunt, the other has never hunted anything yet my nephew, whose parents are about as far removed from the hunting lifestyle as it gets). Taking both this year for the first time. They will be going the regular season with me (one at a time) and i have little doubt that both will get chances at taking birds. For many youths and lack of interest thats no doubt true. But i dont see that as a legitimate argument against other factual factors contributing to the decline in youth recruitment & retention as well. There are other significant factors, not the least of which their parents level of participation and how game management effects both parents/mentors and the childs. Using your pheasants as example..If they were to cut the number of pheasants stocked by 3/4ths, youd see a decline in interest and pheasant hunters numbers Including youths. Why would it not also be the case with extreme reduction to the deer herd when its our number one game animal that most pursue?
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 14:01:01
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As for the 22% . . . Since I've been waterfowl hunting for the past 6 years, several of the PA waterfowl guys I've met through discussion boards like this don't bother deer hunting anymore. I'd bet you've got a good portion of that 22% in the northwest and southeast corners of the state. With the strong cold snaps the past 2 winters during deer season, the best duck migrations have been happening during deer season. I know that 2 mornings during the first week of deer this year, I chose ducks over deer and I wasn't disappointed. I bet the more hardcore duck hunters had no problem giving up deer hunting last year and this year because the best duck weather of the year, both years, happened during those 2 weeks.
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2011/01/03 14:09:43
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ORIGINAL: deerfly Kids had al those activities prior to 2004 and junior license sales were increasing from 1998 to 2004, but in 2004 they began to decrease. So what changed prior to 2004 that reversed the trend in sales? So please tell us what did change it Mike
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 14:12:23
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rsquared, I would say that you are right on the money with that statement. I have a good friend who only deer hunts in muzzleloader season because the swamps are froze up by then. I thought he was going to cry last moday when we saw some open creek full of mallards LOL Mike
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 15:18:46
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Don't forget fellows, when talking about that 22%. Nationwide it was only 2% from 2000-2006, Pennsylvania dropped 22% from 2000-2008. As for juniors, as was stated their numbers were increasing up until the effects of AR were felt. Remember, even in it's heyday hunters were never more than 10-12% of the population and for sure there are now more activities to compete for your time than ever.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 15:32:51
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It's kinda sad actually. Some of my fondest memories of youth involved a single shot 20 gauge and Grouse hunting. Shame many youth will never have the opportunity to make their own memories afield. There are no longer Grouse here in any huntable number, rabbit population is way down also. (I blame it on the yotes). They no longer stock Pheasants in the area. Only plus is there are more Turkeys. And I'm sure the smaller deer herd has it's role also.. It would be tough to keep a kid commited to the sport, game just isn't as plentiful as it once was.. There is one exception though,,, Every amish kid hunts and hunts hard, they are loosing 0 hunters that are eligible. Cause they all hunt out behind my house..
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 15:38:36
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r2, when i was younger, i was nuts about duck hunting. my favorite time was during the deer season, on big waters. little pressure, but the ducks were flying. miss it. dardys, if ohio had pheasants like you folks do, i would be walking the fields with an old side by side. unfortunately, they are few and far between. an old buddy, upon graduation from college, left eastern ohio and moved to iowa to be closer to great pheasant hunting. we were crazy about that when younger, too. i guess i can see why kids in ohio are giving up on hunting, but it seems pa has some wonderful opportunities for the youth. guess x-boxes and facebook are winning.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 16:44:03
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i guess i can see why kids in ohio are giving up on hunting, but it seems pa has some wonderful opportunities for the youth. Like it or not, remember, its deer that is number 1. Deer hunting in Pa is in no way shape or form comparable to the quality of hunting in Ohio. And because of that, they also arent experiencing the declines in hunters that Pa is over the last decade or so. Ohios 09/10 license sales were the highest number sold in a decade. Noone would argue Ohios quality of deer hunting. I think the direct correlation speaks for itself as to why they arent dropping along with the national average, or worse, the Pa rate of decline, which from 2001 to 2006 was over double the national average rate of decline.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 16:47:55
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ORIGINAL: fishin coyote ORIGINAL: deerfly Kids had al those activities prior to 2004 and junior license sales were increasing from 1998 to 2004, but in 2004 they began to decrease. So what changed prior to 2004 that reversed the trend in sales? So please tell us what did change it Mike We lost 133,343 buck hunters from 2000 to 2003 and the buck harvest decreased from 203K in 2001 to to 124K in 2004.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 16:54:04
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When think about why fewer and fewer kids are hunting today, my nephews and neices on my wifes side of the family come to mind. These kids will never get the chance to hunt. Their parents don't hunt or own guns, and have a poor opinion of hunters. The funny thing is, the kids' grandfather was always an avid hunter and outdoorsman and tried very hard to pass the sport on to my wife and her siblings. It just didn't take. Even if the kids were interested in hunting, they wouldn't likely have time. My nephews in particular would never have the time. They're currently 13 (twins), and are involved in soccer, football, voilin lessons, spanish lessons, concert band, and gymnastics. When they actually have a moment away from all that, they would rather relax on the couch playing xbox or watching TV, than being outside in the cold. A lot of kids I know have a poor opinion of hunters. They watch TV and see all the cartoons loaded with what Peter Hathaway Capstick called "mouth foaming Disneyism" where all the animals in the cartoons have human voices and feelings and are basically depicted as people, and hunters are depicted as the bad guys who kill them. I asked my nephews last year if they would like to go hunting with me. They were upset to find out I'm a hunter. When I asked them why, they explained that hunters kill deer for no reason. They didn't even understand that people eat deer. They just thought we shoot them, cut the antlers off, and throw the rest away. We're experiencing a culture shift. There are going to be fewer and fewer hunters each year regardless of HR, AR, deer numbers, and hunting licence costs. Kids today are just less interested in hunting, period, just as they are less interested in fishing. I don't know of one kid who knows or cares about HR/AR or any of the other things a lot of you guys want to say is causing low youngster recruitment. If you ask a kid why he doesn't hunt, he's sure as heck not going to say, "because Alt had too many deer killed". He's more likely going to say he doesn't like the cold, would rather sleep in, or has something more fun to do.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 17:03:37
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"If you ask a kid why he doesn't hunt, he's sure as heck not going to say, "because Alt had too many deer killed"." No. You can leave that to some of the potential mentors who are no more. And the ones who couldve possibly gotten some kids here or there interested but never will now because they themselves quit, or dont take a kid because they have a hard enough time themselves. The kids who never get introduced in the first place certainly have no idea who "alt" or even "pgc" is. That doesnt mean they are any less to blame. He's more likely going to say he doesn't like the cold, would rather sleep in, or has something more fun to do. Its also a lot more likely that even more kids say "dont want to get up, say they want to do something funner, or say its too cold" when they arent seeing game. Lots of excuses come to surface then, even for older hunters who are far more seasoned than a youth hunter when a failed deer management plan is in place. As for me, I'll never quit as long as im breathing, no matter how badly pgc screws things up in the future. Others arent so avid. If i werent, and i had quit along with one or two of my hunting buddies, thered be 5 or 6 less youth hunting today because of it, who ARE interested but wouldve had noone else to take them, and in one case with my nephew, noone that the nonhunting mother & dad would trust to take the kid with a gun into the woods. There are other factors. No doubt. And all mentioned thusfar are valid. But pgc tries to do damage control by saying deer management failures are a nonissue, so that they have no responsibility to address it, and so they appear as completely blameless and thats pure bs. If good hunting in some cases cannot compete with xbox, then poor hunting will compete even less.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 17:06:29
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drake, when i was a kid, we either had a fishing rod or a ball glove with us at all times. from the time we were turned loose in the morning until well after dark, we did what all boys did back then. only hell and high water and the rage of mom could keep us in the house. usually it was ball all morning and afternoon and then a three mile bike trek to the local lake. today, the lake is closed, the ball field has overgrown and as i drive through the old hood, i don't see more than a kid or two at a time. either structured recreation or in-house electronics has changed them all. though change may be unavoidable or inevitable, it surely is a sad thing too. i cannot understand a kid not wanting to be outdoors.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 18:28:07
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i cannot understand a kid not wanting to be outdoors I'll second that, there are four smaller kids (8-11)who live about a 1/2 mile away from me and other than when they and their Mom come into the store I have NEVER seen them outside and they have a beautiful pond with Largemouths in the back yard !!!! Man.. I'd be at that pond 24/7 .... I have never even seen anyone fishing there .. I fished it back when the grandparents lived there and there are some HUGE Bass in it.. I agree today's youth just have little interest in outdoor activities period other than organized team sports.. I do see the Amish kids outside playing ball, tag, volleyball, etc all the time.. and just as with adults it will be harder and harder to keep or recruit new hunters into the sport.. the non- hunting public will just grow and grow... and controlling wildlife will be done in a way other than by "public hunting".. I'd said we will see alot of that change within the next 15 years.. IF I'm still around..
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 18:44:09
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Rap, I grew up the same way. My brother and I were lucky enough to have a very large yard to play in. When we got home from school, we didn't turn on the TV. Instead, we went outside, played baseball, football, rode bikes, threw rocks at each other, went sled riding, shot slingshots, shot bb guns, beat each other up, or any number of activities that didn't involve playing inside. In fact, we weren't allowed to watch tv when we got home. The TV didn't get turned on until later at night. Even then, if it was daylight outside, we were probably there. Today, if a kid is interested in sports, he's more likely to ask for Madden Football 2011 for xbox than an actual football, and if given the chance, would rather play inside than out. To me, this is a pretty good indication of why fewer kids hunt. Some other random thoughts: My parents didn't hunt or fish, and had no interest in it. I am one of the few, that despite having non-hunting and non-fishing parents, still ended up doing both. I was one of the lucky kids who had relatives that were more than willing to take me under their wing, and take time out of their hunting to take me. Because of this, I take it upon myself to help others get out hunting and fishing whenever I can. In fact, I'm just as happy calling in a turkey for someone else as I am for myself, just as I enjoy helping new anglers catch thier first fish. I have two good friends that started hunting a few years ago in their late 20's. They grew up in non hunting families, too. I've taken a lot of time out of my hunting and scouting the past couple years to help them along with theirs. They are now succesfull bowhunters, and have each killed their first buck and a couple of does in the past couple of years. Once a week I get together with these guys to tie flies, and drink a few beers. This week, after reading the original thread about hunter recruitment, I decided to ask those guys why they never hunted as youngsters. Both of them basically told the same story.. their parents weren't hunters, they had nobody else to take them, and they eventually lost interest. One of them said his parents didn't like guns or hunting, so even if he had someone else to take him as a child, he wouldn't have been allowed anyway. I wonder how many kids today are in the same boat, I would bet there's a lot.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 18:52:28
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ORIGINAL: thedrake Even if the kids were interested in hunting, they wouldn't likely have time. My nephews in particular would never have the time. They're currently 13 (twins), and are involved in soccer, football, voilin lessons, spanish lessons, concert band, and gymnastics. When they actually have a moment away from all that, they would rather relax on the couch playing xbox or watching TV, than being outside in the cold. A lot of kids I know have a poor opinion of hunters. They watch TV and see all the cartoons loaded with what Peter Hathaway Capstick called "mouth foaming Disneyism" where all the animals in the cartoons have human voices and feelings and are basically depicted as people, and hunters are depicted as the bad guys who kill them. I asked my nephews last year if they would like to go hunting with me. They were upset to find out I'm a hunter. When I asked them why, they explained that hunters kill deer for no reason. They didn't even understand that people eat deer. They just thought we shoot them, cut the antlers off, and throw the rest away. We're experiencing a culture shift. There are going to be fewer and fewer hunters each year regardless of HR, AR, deer numbers, and hunting licence costs. Kids today are just less interested in hunting, period, just as they are less interested in fishing. I don't know of one kid who knows or cares about HR/AR or any of the other things a lot of you guys want to say is causing low youngster recruitment. If you ask a kid why he doesn't hunt, he's sure as heck not going to say, "because Alt had too many deer killed". He's more likely going to say he doesn't like the cold, would rather sleep in, or has something more fun to do. Well put drake. I don't think any amount of deer in this state can overcome current cultural influences.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 18:59:28
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Maybe. Maybe not. Regardless, thats no reason to add further to the decline by not addressing significant factors that we/pgc can control. Doesnt make much sense imho to say we are losing hunters to cultural differences, therefore it doesnt matter how many hunters we lose to other issues. If anything that should make stopping the flow from other sources that much more important. In a December issue of Pa outdoor news, a guy wrote in, giving full name (so i suppose any pgc cronies could easily check his license buying history past and current), that he quit hunting because of the deer reduction, and said he is glad in one thing, that pgc wont be getting another dime from him. Wonder how many kids he will be mentoring or encouraging to hunt from here on out?
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 19:10:59
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You PGC supporters are really a piece of work. Some of you blame the hunters for reducing the herd even though the PGC issued the antlerless tags and begged the hunters to kill more doe. others blame the hunters for being to lazy to scout more, hunt harder and move to new areas. Now, in a feeble attempt to defend the PGC you are willing to stoop so low as to blame the kids and their parents for their lack of interest in hunting. But like everything else there are two sides to every story. While junior license sales increased from 1998 to 2004, the number of buck hunters decreased by 133K from 2000 to 2003. So, the problem isn't that we are losing too many junior hunters. the problem is we are losing too many adult deer hunters which in turn means fewer junior hunters will be recruited.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 19:35:03
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All the points put forth in this thread are valid reasons for younger kids not taking up the sport. They are true in Pennsylvania and are true nationwide. What they don't explain and what no one on here has been able to explain is why junior hunters were INCREASING in Pennsylvania up until the effects of herd reduction were felt and since then have been DECREASING in Pennsylvania. The QDMA states that Nationwide the outlook for junior huntes looks good. What else has happened since 2000 that would cause junior numbers to DECREASE here? The other thing that the PGC supporters have not been able to explain is why Nationwide deer hunter numbers only decreased 2% while in Pennsylvania they DECREASED 22% since 2000. They also INCREASED just prior to AR/HR in Pennsylvania as the herd increased. If you can't make that case with facts then you have no case other than it was a result of herd reduction. Doc's bible(the QDMA )says we are in the golden age of deer hunting with the herd increasing Nationwide. Hummm
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 19:35:05
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I think the vocal PGC detractors are a piece of work when it comes to the topic of junior hunters. They rail to anyone who will listen about how terrible the deer hunting is, how theres no point in trying, how the license is now a waste of money, how you're lucky to even see a deer, then turn around and blame the pgc when their kids say "no thanks" to hunting. Maybe its because they have a picture of a pointless, miserable time that never lives up to the good old days. Gee, I wonder why the kids they're around aren't interested in giving hunting a shot. Now, some of the guys in this thread may be smart enough not to paint a doom and gloom picture of hunting around prospective kids, but I've been around PLENTY of people telling me how everything has went to heck and beside them is a little kid nodding their head in agreement. You may think the pgc has ruined deer hunting, but if thats the picture of pa deer hunting you paint to youngsters don't blame someone else when they too have a negative idea of deer hunting. By all means, voice your opinion, but be mindful of your forum, and who you may be imprinting that opinion on.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 19:45:31
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Well, I am one of those PGC distractors you referred to in your post. But,all I had to do to get my niece interested in hunting was to teach her how to use a x-bow and shoot a .22. Neither my wife or I had encouraged her to become a deer hunter,she made that decision solely on her own. At first she said she only wanted to shoot a buck, but she decided on her own that she would also take a doe and to her credit she passed on several chip shots on fawns and waited until the last Sat. of the season to harvest her doe. BTW, neither her mother or father are hunters.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 19:57:55
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I have worked with three grandkids through the junior and some mentored hunting. Between them they have taken 13 bucks. One was AR legal, the only one any of them had seen. They are all good in math and didn't need me to help them figure the numbers out. One quit last year. One didn't hunt this year at 19 but I still have hope, the other one is still a junior and I think will continue as a senior unless things get any worse. My brother in law who worked for the PGC quit last year and my neighbor quit this year, both cited lack of legal deer.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 20:51:52
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ORIGINAL: S-10 The other thing that the PGC supporters have not been able to explain is why Nationwide deer hunter numbers only decreased 2% while in Pennsylvania they DECREASED 22% since 2000. They also INCREASED just prior to AR/HR in Pennsylvania as the herd increased. If you can't make that case with facts then you have no case other than it was a result of herd reduction. Doc's bible(the QDMA )says we are in the golden age of deer hunting with the herd increasing Nationwide. Hummm While I do support the PGC on many issues, I also will disagree with them on some. In regards to the decline of youth hunters and the coorelation with HR, I absolutely believe they go hand in hand to a degree. Pa. has tons of deer hunters but the days spent participating in the sport has been declining for some time, IMO. Long before AR/HR. For the average Pa. hunter that hunts only deer 2 days a year, a modestly decreased deer herd has certainly taken its toll on these folks and the kids that tagged along. For those hunters and thier kids who enjoy hunting different seasons and species, opportunities have never been better and will most likely impove. And the deer opportunties are good as well with a bit more work and/or desire. Personally, I am kinda up in the air if this shift will be a good one down the road. As one that is optimistic, I am hopeful that our hunter base will improve in the future and our numbers remain strong.
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RE: Youth Hunters -- Part II
2011/01/03 21:11:43
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For those hunters and thier kids who enjoy hunting different seasons and species, opportunities have never been better and will most likely impove. That is absolutely not true. in the 60's and 70's small game hunting was the way to introduce junior hunters to the sport of hunting. naturally breeding pheasants ended in the 70S and rabbit populations are basically extinct in many areas. In my areas I have seen more deer/year than rabbits for at least the last 20 years and the PGC has no answers as to why the rabbits or pheasants disappeared.
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