Walleye ?

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2010/02/07 21:27:47 (permalink)

Walleye ?

Why arent walleye stocked in the river?
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    mote1977
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/07 21:51:16 (permalink)
    Huh?
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/07 21:54:30 (permalink)
    I would guess that it's because there are plenty of walleyes in the rivers? What river do you mean? I've fished the Allegheny for a number of years now, and there are plenty around the dams. Lotsa little ones early in the season, and they seem to get bigger as it gets later in the season. Thisll be my first year to get out there in a boat, but up until now my friends and I have caught some nice ones from the shore.

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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/07 22:06:12 (permalink)
    Like everone else which river are you talking about? I know they are stocked in high numbers in french creek for sure, i would imagion also in the Allegheny. If you are talking erie tribs, i would guess because they barely flow in the summer, and there are lots of eyes in the lake/bay
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 01:30:05 (permalink)
    They stock Walleye in the Allegheny. Over a million, in the forest co. section alone.

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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 08:00:55 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: spoonchucker

    They stock Walleye in the Allegheny. Over a million, in the forest co. section alone.

     
    not picking on you but why isn't there a walleye stamp then??

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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 10:03:59 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: doubletaper

    ORIGINAL: spoonchucker

    They stock Walleye in the Allegheny. Over a million, in the forest co. section alone.


    not picking on you but why isn't there a walleye stamp then??

    I think I may have a reasonable answer. Prior to the trout stamp, a very good portion of the cost of a fishing lisense went toward the raising and stocking trout. For many years those of us who don't fish for them still subsidized the program, and today buy a trout stamp just to fish the designated waters. You need not do that to fish a waterway that is stocked with walleye fry or fingerlings. They are open to everyone. Neither will you see those banks lined with fishermen shoulder to shoulder waiting for the stock truck to come to empty their evening meal. When a walleye is caught it's been in the water a couple of years, not a couple of minutes. It is there for everyone with a legal license to catch. Why would you want other fishermen to pay more? Believe me, I am not questioning your presonal ethics, nor do I want to do battle with all the other ethical trout fishermen who may read this. There are many that enjoy trout fishing and I'm happy with that. As sportsmen we need them. But, do you believe we should have walleye stamp for everyone who fishes the Allegheny river, Kinzua,Pymatuning,Yough dam and Yough river and others?
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 11:01:33 (permalink)
    I thought they stopped stocking 'eyes in the upper Allegheny a few years back to study how well the natural reproduction would do?  Maybe I heard wrong or maybe they stopped stocking above a certain point in the river.
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 11:05:13 (permalink)
    i was just interested and appreciate your in put.
    all i ever heard was they created the trout tax stamp because they stock trout. to me if the people who fish for trout are taxed because they fish for trout, whether they are stocked or not, then i was interested to know why the same didn't go for the stocking of walleye.
    even steelhead fishermen are obligated to buy a stamp to fish for these stocked fish and it takes maybe a few more years for them to come into legal size.
    there is talk about raising the fishing lisc. yearly, why don't they just start having a tax stocking program. those rivers, creeks and lakes that get stocked fish you would need an extra stamp.
    i'm not saying i'm in favor of taxing every species of fish but i was always against the trout tax stamp when other fish are stocked and those that fish for them gets a free pass with their reg lisc.

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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 11:51:11 (permalink)
    Like lovethoseeyes was saying they stock the walleye and it take a few years for them to get to legal length. Because they stock walleye fry less than an inch long (most fo the fish) so fish are hatched and then that year put in the body of water, maybe 1 or 2 out of 10,000 might live to see adaulthood.

    While trout that are kept to 7 inches take much more man hours and food... is why there is a trout stamp to pay for the extra time.

    In PA they stock

    Species Life Stage 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 Grand Total
    American Eel Elver 17,504 17,504
    American Shad Fingerling 6,490 1,240 7,730
    Fry 10,406,000 6,370,463 2,246,500 11,932,722 4,709,872 5,164,275 4,490,184 2,246,619 3,832,584 51,399,219
    Black Crappie Adult 1,140 500 500 2,140
    Fingerling 2,911 253,122 98,624 845 4,735 193,786 270,373 18,355 842,751
    Bluegill Adult 410 500 650 50 50 50 1,710
    Fingerling 265,400 12,000 22,299 18,900 228 6,500 25,123 6,700 200 357,350
    Brown Bullhead Adult 10,731 10,731
    Chain Pickerel Adult 2 2
    Fingerling 4,287 1,639 3,362 463 1,635 4,750 3,448 3,750 2,570 25,904
    Channel Catfish Fingerling 164,123 205,828 353,728 265,652 253,601 209,327 156,146 62,350 110,900 1,781,655
    Coho Salmon Fingerling 137,204 99,855 237,059
    Yearling 27,786 100,289 69,912 197,987
    Common Sucker Species Adult 300 300
    Emerald Shiner Adult 385,120 385,120
    Fathead Minnow Adult 104,000 299,500 105,500 105,500 50,000 664,500
    Golden Shiner Adult 8,788 2,700 8,463 19,951
    Fingerling 185,000 26,650 211,650
    Grass Carp Adult 200 200
    Hickory Shad Fry 100,000 2,950,000 6,115,730 17,248,435 9,104,914 7,815,640 7,180,216 50,514,935
    Lake Trout Adult 2,357 160 80 2,597
    Fingerling 39,789 52,998 58,905 67,999 81,990 120,446 21,461 31,572 51,975 527,135
    Yearling 59,194 85,499 57,890 202,583
    Largemouth Bass Adult 205 20 26 251
    Fingerling 38,232 23,927 18,500 585 16,850 18,419 3,158 22,034 52,305 194,010
    Muskellunge Adult 37 547 584
    Fingerling 126,280 111,938 122,938 78,719 122,389 105,839 111,376 104,243 162,470 1,046,192
    Yearling 1,308 1,465 1,603 2,062 2,864 2,525 1,665 13,492
    Northern Pike Fingerling 4,590 5,620 6,618 4,520 6,620 6,530 6,530 6,530 6,530 54,088
    Paddlefish Fingerling 10,905 8,297 5,688 1,602 5,717 32,433 2,706 4,502 71,850
    Pumpkinseed Adult 30 30
    Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 1,107,440 1,020,738 51,000 2,179,178
    Yearling 57,031 1,029,985 717,814 1,074,384 1,056,946 1,064,983 1,004,907 1,071,426 7,077,476
    Redear Sunfish Fingerling 34,700 34,656 18,001 34,700 34,700 19,500 176,257
    Rock Bass Adult 3 3
    Fingerling 3,539 6,800 10,339
    Sauger Fingerling 2,000 11,450 7,265 1,000 18,624 62,858 103,197
    Saugeye Fingerling 2,650 22,057 13,992 2,200 4,000 18,505 63,404
    Smallmouth Bass Adult 40 40
    Fingerling 11,115 25,762 22,400 448 1,080 60,805
    Striped Bass Adult 600 27 81 708
    Fingerling 270,476 223,906 24,081 446,716 37,017 301,048 352,922 212,934 386,857 2,255,957
    Fry 6,650,000 13,690,000 7,499,998 6,880,000 6,199,000 1,800,000 42,718,998
    Yearling 278 278
    Tiger Muskellunge Fingerling 63,455 84,275 73,475 89,011 80,474 87,314 94,198 102,202 75,359 749,763
    Yearling 7,400 7,400
    Walleye Adult 500 500 500 1,500
    Fingerling 749,666 588,641 574,718 710,219 793,065 681,752 1,434,541 1,015,578 1,137,234 7,685,414
    Fry 76,070,500 69,489,750 71,015,250 83,798,550 84,057,550 73,389,545 92,392,332 51,407,257 32,000,000 633,287,445
    Advanced Fry 244,382 88,907 333,289
    White Crappie Fingerling 300 1,075 8,088 1,200 1,958 12,621
    White Sucker Adult 4 247 300 551
    White X Striped Bass Fingerling 11,400 158,148 92,336 89,295 93,125 45,492 50,670 155,816 67,290 763,572
    Yellow Perch Adult 4 438 484 100 1,026
    Fingerling 46,800 106 81,588 128,494
    Fry 1,120,000 1,120,000 1,411,000 1,000,000 947,598 944,600 947,600 1,456,600 8,947,398


    That was from the PFBC websight, its a little jumbled but you get the point. What you are saying doubletaper is we should buy a stamp for every fish listed?

    For more clear view here is the link
    http://www.fishandboat.com/stockwarmc_prior.htm
    post edited by anzomcik - 2010/02/08 11:53:20
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 11:56:56 (permalink)
    We're stocking SUCKERS?!
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 12:01:00 (permalink)
    thanx, i see they stock other adult species also.
    i was just wondering.
    what i asked was why only the trout and steelhead fishermen have to pay the fish tax. i guess you guys answered it.
    tax the trout fishermen, like i was saying

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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 12:15:12 (permalink)
    "tax the trout fishermen, like i was saying"
     
    ....not that there's anything wrong with that
     
     
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 12:19:17 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: bulldog1

    "tax the trout fishermen, like i was saying"

    ....not that there's anything wrong with that



     
    hey, who asked you

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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 14:13:42 (permalink)
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    The Trout stocking program, probabley costs nearly as all other species combined. If you look at the numbers closely. Adults of other species are stocked, but in very small number, not on an annual basis, and in few waters. Generally this occurs only to replenish waters that had been drained for some reason, and using excess breeder stock. Also, when one lake is drained, the fish relocated to another water, are include as adult stockings of the recieving water.

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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 14:15:45 (permalink)
    "We're stocking SUCKERS?! "
     
    DuUd they still stock Channel cats in Arthur, which is polluted with them

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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 18:00:11 (permalink)
    First of all i would like to know when that PFBC website has been updated. Also trout stamps do suck. When i fished in a couple other states a trout stamp was not needed. So im guessing pa as i know is the only 1 that does that but i am sure some other states do have stamps. I was talking about the allegheny river.
    That pfbc listed of stocking salmon. They havent been doing that for years anywhere in pa. I always like stopping at fish hatcheries but everyone i have stopped at always has trout or steelhead. Never seen any other kinds. i talked to 1 of the guys who worked with pa com.. He told me they stocked walleye in erie but not the river. Asked him why but did not have an answer.
    So on that note wondering were some of this info is comming from. Hoping some1 can tell me that they saw them throwing them in.
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 18:26:00 (permalink)
    ya as eyesandgills said they stopped stocking walleyes for 3 yrs to see how they do naturally reproducing so i would say if u catch a big female throw it back just so it can reproduce and them big ones taste terrible anyway hopfully it doesnt end up like pymy lake
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/08 22:57:51 (permalink)
    dont worry i dont eat fish. its all catch and release. the only thing i get is a picture. it last longer.  
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/09 00:46:15 (permalink)
    "So on that note wondering were some of this info is comming from."
     
    It's really not that hard to find.
     
    http://pfbc.state.pa.us/pfbc_webgis/WWCWStockingDetails_historical.aspx
     
    Eyes,
     
    They stocked Eyes, in 2008, but 2009 lists only musky. So I assume you are correct.

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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/09 00:53:14 (permalink)
    "I always like stopping at fish hatcheries but everyone i have stopped at always has trout or steelhead."
     
    You must not have been looking very hard. Here's a link to the hatcheries, and what species is raised at each. Tionest's includes Walleye, and Musky.
     
    http://www.fish.state.pa.us/dir_sfh.htm

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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/09 06:07:33 (permalink)
    Union city has walleye, musky, tiger musky, northernpike. I stoped there this past summer and they told me thats what they have in there tanks/ponds at that moment.
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/09 07:58:33 (permalink)
    The Ohio is a tremendous eye fishery, how ever they got there !!

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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/09 16:11:19 (permalink)
    The hatchery at Linesville, hatch walleye and when they are done with walleye, the work on the tiger musky program. Every April they have their open house, which is very informative. This year it is being held April 3, 2010, and it's free of charge. They have several different demonstrations associated with the operation of the hatchery.
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/09 17:24:00 (permalink)
    Nevermind, I should have read Spoonie's response...  Basically the same thing he said.
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/10 23:48:32 (permalink)
    Wleye have been not stocked in the allegheny river since 2006. Looks like thier still being stocked in ohio river. Thanks spoonchucker for jumping down my throat. never said i was a expert but those websites worked. union city and linesville by lake erie never been there but i was talking about the allegheny.
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/02/15 14:55:09 (permalink)
    Did notice they've cut back on the numbers of walleye fry/fingerlings lately at least in a lot of the lakes I fish here in the S/W and southcentral regions looks like their using some formula based on the size of the water kinda equals 10 per acre if my math is right, wish they would institute some type of warmwater stamp that would just go to the warmwater species think that there are a lots more hours logged fishing warmwater than trout.
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    RE: Walleye ? 2010/03/07 20:15:41 (permalink)
    pymy is not by erie its 40 miles away and none of the fish spawned there go to erie ,the fish hatchery there is for pymy and inland waters as far as i know and have been told
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