Pa checking 20 hp motors

I know Ill sleep better now that the fish gestapo is on thier annual fund raiser

If you can alter a 9.9HP to have 15HP(slightly larger carb is often all it needs)you can alter a 25HP to have 20HP
A dirty air filter is all it takes to reduce HP
Leave the stickers off-let them figure what the horse power is at the prop.
I have never seen a portable dynomometer.
If the law states rated horse power there is not much you can do.
If it only limits HP it is up to them to proove what it is.


Engine serial numbers are not random.
They have manufacturer, date of production, model and HP
It would not take more than 1 page to have all this information

Marty,
     If your information is correct (and 99% of what you post is) then what they would need is a corresponding list of carb serial #'s to cross reference with the engine #'s.  Also, I heard somewhere that there is some sort of accustic device that can measure H.P. by listening to the engine at W.O.T.  You heard anything about that?  I guess it would stand to reason that a more powerful motor would be louder. I just can't find the pertainent infomation.

I don't think they would be able to check your carb. You can keep a carb off a 9.9 and rejet it to a bigger opening and let more fuel in. Personally I think it would be very hard for them to do. Marty is right to my knowledge of the number containing the horse power. But I have also seen engines that the number was pretty beat up. The only real way they could in force that is if they made you bring your engine in to test it. If you are at the ramp talking about how your engine is a 20 horse with 9.9 stickers on it then I think they might have a case but if you don't say anything it would be up to them to prove your 9.9 is really a 20 horse.
 
Also Marty the HP sensor in the link you posted above looks like it is for machining equipment. Wouldn't do the same thing for a boat motor. I work in Tool and Die and they make those for production shops so they can stop the machine when a tool breaks with out someone watching it all day.

get a 9.9

Bore it out, put steped pistons in it, raise the compression ratio to something rediculas like 15:1 then rejet the carb and put high octane airplane fuel in it.

I made a honda 200x three wheeler stand up from a slow roll in 3rd gear, cant even imagine what you could do with a two stroke. It was bored out .020 over.... i miss that machine.

Actually Boring out the motor real does not to much.Unless it is like 40 to 60 over. Most people bore out the motor to tighten things up. It will give a little more compression but not much more than that.I have played with many two stroke bikes before. wiesco piston kits with a bore to fit and reeds,carb kits will defiantly help.as far as using Airplane fuel will burn up a motor Unless you to do the above. I wonder how many people received fines last night????????//

High octane fuel and avgas-aviation fuel have different formulations.
It is not just a different octane.
Racing fuel has more energy/volume and will have more power.
Racing fuel has a totally different smell both raw and burned.

Dave are they just checking the boats with 20 hp stickers on them, or checking all motors.  John

Remember the new Honda and Merc 25's are 3 cylinders.

I do not think that a 3 cylinder  would pass a minor  20hp inspection .

All ohio registered boats must pay a Pa, state lake fee at Pa state ( not federal) lakes like Arthur.  At that point they check the boatind/motor registration.

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Remember the new Honda and Merc 25's are 3 cylinders.

I do not think that a 3 cylinder  would pass a minor  20hp inspection .

All ohio registered boats must pay a Pa, state lake fee at Pa state ( not federal) lakes like Arthur.  At that point they check the boatind/motor registration.

 
Umm, can you please locate the law that states this?  I believe if your home states registration is current, you are good to go in any PA lake unless you moor it there, then you most likely have to pay a fee.  I have been wrong before but, my relatives are from Cleveland and have their boat at our campground at Wilhelm and it is registered OH and they have never paid any additional fees to launch or use the lake at Wilhelm.

Anyone know if you can use those motor connector mounts (main motor to kicker) in restricted lakes?  I've seen people using them, but not sure if it was legal.  Do they want motors over 20HP completely out of the water? 
 
The only thing that I have ever seen is "The use of motor over 20HP is prohibited".  Does that mean for steering purposes as well?
 
Anyone ever use the Cabelas Tie bars?

It use to be at Pymy that you had to take the prop off the larger motor.  I believe they have relaxed that, I never have taken the prop off my 25hp on pymy but just used my kicker ( a 5 hp) with that T-bar connection to the main motor to steer and troll with.

The Ohio rangers said that you could use the larger motor on pymy if conditions got bad and you were trying to get off the lake. However, this was one ranger and not in the law.

Taking the prop off of the other motor will reduce drag a little.
People that like to tell others about running for 6 hours and only using 4 gallons of gas might notice a differance.
Disconecting and raising the cicker motor will make more difference if you have an underpowered boat.

Well still I think the problem is that you can only by a 20 four stroke now! or be forced to buy a 9.9 or a fifteen in a two stroke. And I prefer a 2 stroke over the four stroke. But thats what i like  some people like the fours. Just like some people  like Pepsi and some like coke i like rootbeer! Seen the gamey's have a new prop boat. You hear the thing from a long way off.

you do not need to remove the prop and dont need to have the prop of the larger motor out of the water.
 
imo if youre going to connect 2 motors together pay up and get the EZ Steer outboard to outboard kit. the cheap bars that fit in the front of the motors are rated for low mph. really only supposed to be used for trolling. they are to be removed at higher speeds. seems like a pain in the butt to remember to connect and disconnect all the time.