chuck n duck fly fishing changes

Hello I have a ?  Last year fishing the lower fly fishing section  i ran into numerous fly fishing gentleman rigged with a chuck and duck  I  understand that this was ok last year . I fly fish using tradtion fly methods is chuck and duck still legal .

you are correct CPSWING
 
some guys use lots of weight.
 
In other words, the weight propels the fly line instead of the fly line propelling the fly. No false casting involved.
 
It's the technique to use if you want to line the fish.
 
 
 

 "chuck & duck" is not a technique for lining fish, just used by many individuals in the wrong manner to line fish, just as they do with casting fly line and spinning gear.

It is a poor excuse for fly fishing and as Tippy points out is illegal in certain regulated areas.

C & D flyfishing may not ne a tradition style for fly anglers, but it's a proven method for steelhead. For thise who think it's only for snagging are completely wrong.
 
I use this method often and I may snag about 3-5 fish a month.

CnD is not a method that lines or snags fish. It can be used to do those things but so can any other method. When done properly, dead drift with a moderately short tippet, it SLOWLY covers deep holding fish structure, allowing lethargic fish a good chance to see and react to the fly. It is not the most classic of fly fishing styles but has it place anf time.

Another "purist" heard from

Jimmy:

your right in most of your statement but if you spend enough time on the tribs. you will see it all and how it is done. It may not be obvious to the everyday angler but once it is pointed out it can be bright as day.

Now, I like the fact that it was a good idea to try to return to a traditional, yes shot is traditional, fly fishing. Will it ever work , again I seriously doubt it , people in general on that river system are greedy and resort to catching at all costs. Just fishing is not enough. Now, now, I said in general not specific.

Jimmy, those areas do stack up with steelhead and browns, just like the salmon. As I said, once you see the same people taking people fishing there day after day you get to know certain things.
Saying you never lined a trout is commendable but it happens, it happens to me, do I encourage or purposely do this NO! When it happens frequent then there is a problem with the set up, maybe too much weight, leader or drift. A good angler will adjust accordingly to avoid this, a poor angler will think it's a good day.

So finally, C&D is a fishing method just as all the rest of everything else used to pursue these migratory fish. A pure snagging , lining method ? Give me a BREAK!
Should it be used in the fly zones ? I always say enforce the current rules before making new ones but we all know what the results are.
I think the people who do not understand (or don't want to) are the biggest problems that occur on the Ontario tribs. not the regulations, they are just a matter of ethics. Until the Ethics change no rule will ever make it better.

 

salt,
I mean no dis-respect but your talking apples to oranges between atlantic salmon fishing & steelhead.
C&D a method which I use ? nope, as said a fishing method that works for winter steelhead, yup. I don't tend to judge how one choses to fish as long as it is ethical with respect to the fish and surrounding people. I am just a content catching brookies on a worm and wobbler as a fly rod and streamer , which will work better at the time and how I feel like fishing will determine what method we use.
But to say one is right over the other is just not true.
 

OldSalt:
 
Right On !

Salt,
 
The scenario you put forth is not the situation where C&D should, or typically is used. I would never even consider it there. But in a deep fast pocket, depending on where the fish are laying no matter HOW well you mend, you will not get your flydown fast enough without SOME weight. 

Ana, said it right, can't we just all get along. The real issue is how you conduct yourself when you snag a fish. Do you a) drag it in backwards, hooting and hollering and then put it on the chain or b) break it off and try and catch it the right way.

spoonchucker,

I fully agree, but most of the times anglers already have their cannonballs rigged up and just start chuckin.

Sure you need to use weight, it really comes down to how much. As far as I'm aware, there are no restrictions on the amount of weight you can use on the unregulated areas of the SR, only on the location of the weight on the line/leader or tippet.

So anglers can use any amounts to get it down, even beyond reasonable, as we all have seen.

A normal approach would be to start with the least amount and go from there, but as I said, old habits die hard and for years and years the norm for the SR and tribs has been excessive weight.

I'm not knocking any one technique versus another, but within reason we all should realize that dredging the bottom and hammering/spooking fish isn't really fair game and ethical. Not to mention the fact that once a cannonball blaster comes along, the quality of fishing goes down dramatically.

Chuckin and Duckin implies the use of excessive weight, hence the term. Without the excessive weight, the technique is common high stick nymphing which has been around for quite awhile.

Tight lines,

OldSalt