Sauger or Saugeye

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2008/09/01 19:50:06 (permalink)

Sauger or Saugeye

I fish the Yough at least once a week. Sunday I was fishing below the pier in Connellsville and I caught a sauger or saugeye. This is the first one I ever caught and I've been fishing there for years. Sunday evening I was fishing above St. Rita church in Connellsville and I caught another one. Are they becoming more common in this area? How do you guys fish for them? I use artificials only and caught both on spoons. BTW, they didn't fight at all. It was like reeling in a stick.
 
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    avidangler
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    RE: Sauger or Saugeye 2008/09/01 19:56:11 (permalink)
    Sauger and i dont know how common they are to the yough drainage but the ohio river drainage they are very very common.

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    RE: Sauger or Saugeye 2008/09/01 19:58:26 (permalink)
    I've caught more Walleye and Sauger this year than I did last year.  Here is a good article on these fish I found somewhere else.
     
    The Sauger (Sander canadensis) is a fish which closely resembles its more popular cousin the walleye. The sauger, however, are usually smaller and will tolerate murky waters unlike the walleye. Other distinguishing characteristics are spots on its dorsal fin, and its brassy color. Although the average sauger is only a couple of pounds or so, the world record weighed 17 pounds, 12 ounces. Sauger generally inhabit rivers more so than lakes and reservoirs. Being part of the fresh water Percidae family, it is highly prized for its tasty white meat.

    Hybridization between sauger and walleye is not uncommon; the hybrids are referred to as saugeye, and exhibit traits of both species. Being intermediate in appearance between the two species, they are sometimes difficult to differentiate from either species, but they are best distinguished by the dark blotches characteristic of the sauger.

    Physical description
    There are three main physical differences between the Walleye and the Sauger. First, the sauger has no white area on the tail, and walleye does. Second, saugers have specks or dots in the first dorsal fin. Third, saugers are generally smaller in size than the walleye.See photos below

    Walleye image: Note the white on the lower lobe of the tail. This is clearly a walleye.


    Sauger image: Note the lack of white on the tail of the lower lobe, and the specks on the first dorsal fin. This is clearly a sauger.


    Saugeye image: The fish in this image is a Saugeye, a walleye-sauger hybrid. It can be somewhat tricky to properly identify a saugeye versus a sauger (like the sauger, they have no white tail lobe). Saugeyes most commonly have fewer dorsal specks that true saugers.



    Habitat
    The sauger is very adapted to rivers and other turbid environments, whereas the walleye prefers cooler, clearer water.

    Reproduction
    Spawn between March and June in pairs or small aggregations.

    Interaction with humans
    Anglers commonly make no differentiation between the walleye and sauger, both intentionally and unintentionally. The flesh and taste of the sauger is identical to walleye, to most individuals. Especially with smaller specimens (i.e. those under 15"), most fisherman and even government Natural Resource agencies treat walleye and sauger identically.

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    RE: Sauger or Saugeye 2008/09/01 21:38:13 (permalink)
    Smallhook THANKS for clearing the hybrid ID issues , are they sterile like most hybrids ?

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    RE: Sauger or Saugeye 2008/09/01 22:25:31 (permalink)
    all i've ever caught out of the yough were walleye and sauger, no saugeye. they've been in the yough as far up as connellsville since at least the early '90's. and no they are not sterile, because they are members of the same family, percidae(sic)
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    RE: Sauger or Saugeye 2008/09/01 22:37:58 (permalink)
    Bi-Racial fish.  Thats funny right there...  I was told by a fish biologist that Saugeye can reproduce.  I've caught a couple of easy to identify saugeye, but most of the time it is one or the other.  My first Saugeye ever came from the Mon near the mouth of Pigeon Creek about 20 years ago.
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    RE: Sauger or Saugeye 2008/09/02 00:23:23 (permalink)
    I've caught saugeye that looked like sauger,but they did have a faint white  area on the tail lobe, but clearly there !??!

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    RE: Sauger or Saugeye 2008/09/02 19:13:30 (permalink)
    it's definitely a sauger
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    Re: RE: Sauger or Saugeye 2013/09/23 19:58:48 (permalink)
    Been catching Sauger for years in the Yough. From S. C'ville **** clear down to Layton for me. That's the stretch I fish. No not much fight in those guys, a few head shakes and that's it. I have a buddy that caught on 18" but most are about 10 to 12 inches. Fun to catch sometimes when nothing else is hitting, I'm pretty sure they school like Walleye.
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    Re: RE: Sauger or Saugeye 2013/09/24 17:30:12 (permalink)
    It's a Sauger.  There's piles of them in the Allegheny up near Ford City where I frequent.  People say there's Saugeye up there although I've never caught them but, I have also had countless people up there tell me that most of the times a WCO won't burn you for Saugeye because of how difficult they can be to identify at times, sometimes they are easily distinguishable and others not so much.  But, an older gentleman told me to rub the cheek meat area if you aren't sure because Saugeye like Walleye will have a smooth patch where the cheek meat is unlike a Sauger that is fairly rough/gritty.  (Is this "An old wise tail?"  I don't know but, there is a distinct texture difference between the Walleye and Sauger cheek feel...) I've had the WCO from in that area check my stringer before and never burn me and cite me when I myself had a very faint discrepancy in my own mind if I was identifying the fish correctly.
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    Re: RE: Sauger or Saugeye 2013/09/25 07:56:57 (permalink)
    Walleye, sauger or saugeye, they all cook up the same. Tasty!

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    Re: RE: Sauger or Saugeye 2013/09/25 16:40:06 (permalink)
    Excellent post by Smallhook for the ID of sauger vs. saugeye. I remember catching sauger with an occasional walleye at Lock and Dam #3 on the Allegheny in December 2001 very near the dam all along the face of it, but sufficiently far away to be safe and also legal. My partner and I had mechanical counters and we would log 200-350  fish each on a typical day and I know we forgot to hit the counter at times, but most of them were counted. They would range from 10" - 15" with most at 13". I know there will be some, maybe many that won't believe it, but I don't have any reason to exaggerate or lie.
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    Re: RE: Sauger or Saugeye 2013/09/29 11:18:50 (permalink)
    YES great post by Smallhook, That's how to be helpful on here. Hats off to guys like you

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