Lots of variable make test scores.
In the City BOE I represented our lower grade schools often had about a 14 percent annual change of students year to year. Therefore the 6th grade classes would only have a small group of kids who had been in our system from first grade on.
We had about 12,000 kids in our system.
Our inner city community was in constant flux--we were a kind of first entry City for lack of a better term.
The English language was difficult at best for many of the younger kids and often it wasnt spoken at home much less parents being able to read it to help their kids, we had numerous bilingual ed classes. Not just Spanish as many might think but in some European languages as well. All at great cost to the Board of ed.
Tough to accurately address the quality of ed with these kinds of variable existing all the time.
A real smart kid may well be underperforming due to language issues.
I used to ask how the kids we had from beginning in grade schools did compared to the overall scores and found that the ones who we had over time when reaching 6th grade, were doing quite well even though our average scores were much lower.
As soon as kids began middle and High schools  their scores went up dramatically as the parents were becoming stabilized and not moving from town to town for opportunities as when their families were younger and kids were learning English. 
 A guy I worked with came to America with his wife and they had 2 children -when his kids got to school age they moved back to Italy. Seems they never spoke English at home or in their neighborhood and realized the kids would have huge issues in school.
We also had a tech school and a Magnet school in town with around 3 to 4 thousand students between them. I was on the Board of the State agency running the magnet schools as well, and my sons attended the Tech school.
These are as close to private ( even though still State controlled) as my experiences gave me and were vastly different in their
academic accomplishments.
No language issues, more parental involvement and goal oriented students wanting something more mean a lot.
 

MyWar

dano
It's not the federal government's responsibility to financially support our local schools. It shouldn't be the State's responsibility either.
Funding of schools should lie completely on the local taxpayers.

Let’s go even further.

I don’t have any kids. Why should my taxes pay for any schools at all? That’s not my financial responsibility.

Why don’t we just make the people that have kids pay for the education of their children out of their own pockets? Why use any public funds at all?

Can any of the conservative minded folks tell me why this is a bad idea?

I m sure homeschoolers agree with you. I mean I went 8 years of home ownership before needing the local school in 2023-2024 school year, I would gladly take that money back. And when they both graduate, back in same boat.

But the reason it will never happen, its the logistical and financial nightmare it would be to collect payment. The 3 taxing bodies (County, municipal, school) already build a non payment fudge factor into their budgets, usually like 1.5-3%

So it’s easier to screw everybody and charge real estate taxes regardless of children in school. Rendell sold the whole casino money paying for schools, but my “Homestead” exclusion from gambling revenues is $185 a year.

Shapiro was pro school voucher then flipped flopped. Pretty sure he left it out of his 2025 budget proposal.

But some of these online and charter schools are shady as hell. I think you would see a mass exodus from public back to catholic and faith based over online charters.

psu_fish

MyWar

dano
It's not the federal government's responsibility to financially support our local schools. It shouldn't be the State's responsibility either.
Funding of schools should lie completely on the local taxpayers.

Let’s go even further.

I don’t have any kids. Why should my taxes pay for any schools at all? That’s not my financial responsibility.

Why don’t we just make the people that have kids pay for the education of their children out of their own pockets? Why use any public funds at all?

Can any of the conservative minded folks tell me why this is a bad idea?

I m sure homeschoolers agree with you. I mean I went 8 years of home ownership before needing the local school in 2023-2024 school year, I would gladly take that money back. And when they both graduate, back in same boat.

But the reason it will never happen, its the logistical and financial nightmare it would be to collect payment. The 3 taxing bodies (County, municipal, school) already build a non payment fudge factor into their budgets, usually like 1.5-3%

So it’s easier to screw everybody and charge real estate taxes regardless of children in school. Rendell sold the whole casino money paying for schools, but my “Homestead” exclusion from gambling revenues is $185 a year.

Shapiro was pro school voucher then flipped flopped. Pretty sure he left it out of his 2025 budget proposal.

But some of these online and charter schools are shady as hell. I think you would see a mass exodus from public back to catholic and faith based over online charters.

What exactly is this incoherent mess of a post supposed to mean exactly?

MyWar

dano
It's not the federal government's responsibility to financially support our local schools. It shouldn't be the State's responsibility either.
Funding of schools should lie completely on the local taxpayers.

Let’s go even further.

I don’t have any kids. Why should my taxes pay for any schools at all? That’s not my financial responsibility.

In NY, the state pays roughly half my school tax. The last three years they paid nearly all of it. 
The rebate program goes to homeowners who make under 1/2 million married or 1/4 million single. 
Starting this year, Seniors get a special exemption to local school tax. If a Senior makes under 55K, they are completely exempt from school taxes. 
Prorated after 55K. 

dano

MyWar

dano
It's not the federal government's responsibility to financially support our local schools. It shouldn't be the State's responsibility either.
Funding of schools should lie completely on the local taxpayers.

Let’s go even further.

I don’t have any kids. Why should my taxes pay for any schools at all? That’s not my financial responsibility.

In NY, the state pays roughly half my school tax. The last three years they paid nearly all of it. 
The rebate program goes to homeowners who make under 1/2 million married or 1/4 million single. 
Starting this year, Seniors get a special exemption to local school tax. If a Senior makes under 55K, they are completely exempt from school taxes. 
Prorated after 55K. 

Doesn’t answer my question though,

Why should I have to pay for schools at all if I don’t have children? Why use any public funds for education? Why not just make all parents pay out of their own pocket?

MyWar

dano

MyWar

dano
It's not the federal government's responsibility to financially support our local schools. It shouldn't be the State's responsibility either.
Funding of schools should lie completely on the local taxpayers.

Let’s go even further.

I don’t have any kids. Why should my taxes pay for any schools at all? That’s not my financial responsibility.

In NY, the state pays roughly half my school tax. The last three years they paid nearly all of it. 
The rebate program goes to homeowners who make under 1/2 million married or 1/4 million single. 
Starting this year, Seniors get a special exemption to local school tax. If a Senior makes under 55K, they are completely exempt from school taxes. 
Prorated after 55K. 

Doesn’t answer my question though,

Why should I have to pay for schools at all if I don’t have children? Why use any public funds for education? Why not just make all parents pay out of their own pocket?

 
Because you chose to.
And, because if you don't, the'll foreclose on you property. 
 When you bought your property, you chose to pay taxes. Otherwise, you could always rent. Or better yet, move to Sun City for the winter and Alaska for the summer. 
 
 

dano

MyWar

dano

MyWar

dano
It's not the federal government's responsibility to financially support our local schools. It shouldn't be the State's responsibility either.
Funding of schools should lie completely on the local taxpayers.

Let’s go even further.

I don’t have any kids. Why should my taxes pay for any schools at all? That’s not my financial responsibility.

In NY, the state pays roughly half my school tax. The last three years they paid nearly all of it. 
The rebate program goes to homeowners who make under 1/2 million married or 1/4 million single. 
Starting this year, Seniors get a special exemption to local school tax. If a Senior makes under 55K, they are completely exempt from school taxes. 
Prorated after 55K. 

Doesn’t answer my question though,

Why should I have to pay for schools at all if I don’t have children? Why use any public funds for education? Why not just make all parents pay out of their own pocket?

 
Because you chose to.
And, because if you don't, the'll foreclose on you property. 
 When you bought your property, you chose to pay taxes. Otherwise, you could always rent. Or better yet, move to Sun City for the winter and Alaska for the summer. 
 
 

I didn’t ask why you should pay your taxes.

I asked why schools should be publicly funded.

r3g3
Parents couldnt afford to spent ten grand or more per kid per year  to go to school thats why, schools like anything else govt provides are shared in cost by all of us.

So why is that my problem if you can’t send your kid to school?

MyWar
Let’s go even further.

I don’t have any kids. Why should my taxes pay for any schools at all? That’s not my financial responsibility.

MyWar
Doesn’t answer my question though,

Why should I have to pay for schools at all if I don’t have children? Why use any public funds for education? Why not just make all parents pay out of their own pocket?

dano
Because you chose to.
And, because if you don't, the'll foreclose on you property. 
 When you bought your property, you chose to pay taxes. Otherwise, you could always rent. Or better yet, move to Sun City for the winter and Alaska for the summer. 
 

MyWar
I didn’t ask why you should pay your taxes.
I asked why schools should be publicly funded.

You did ask why, as in; "Why should I have to pay for schools at all if I don’t have children?" 
I answered that. You don't have to. It's your choice.
As far as why schools should be publicly funded? They found that the Socialist approach was the best approach. 
 

dano

MyWar
Let’s go even further.

I don’t have any kids. Why should my taxes pay for any schools at all? That’s not my financial responsibility.

MyWar
Doesn’t answer my question though,

Why should I have to pay for schools at all if I don’t have children? Why use any public funds for education? Why not just make all parents pay out of their own pocket?

dano
Because you chose to.
And, because if you don't, the'll foreclose on you property. 
When you bought your property, you chose to pay taxes. Otherwise, you could always rent. Or better yet, move to Sun City for the winter and Alaska for the summer. 

MyWar
I didn’t ask why you should pay your taxes.
I asked why schools should be publicly funded.

You did ask why, as in; "Why should I have to pay for schools at all if I don’t have children?" 
I answered that. You don't have to. It's your choice.
As far as why schools should be publicly funded? They found that the Socialist approach was the best approach. 
 

Sure, ok that was one of several related questions. I also asked several others, and the broader question I was getting at is why should schools publicly funded?

What exactly do you mean by “socialist approach”? And why was it found to be the best approach? What’s so great about making all citizens share the cost of education?

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=00&div=0&chpt=3#:~:text=%C2%A7%252014.&text=The%2520General%2520Assembly%2520shall%2520provide,the%2520needs%2520of%2520the%2520Commonwealth.


https://www.usconstitutio...-fathers-on-education/

Yinz guys are getting "owned."

Porktown
https://www.legis.state.p...0the%2520Commonwealth.


https://www.usconstitutio...-fathers-on-education/

There are so many ads on here I can’t even make heads or tails … but ima go out on a limb and assume the founding fathers were in favor of public education?

MyWar


If I said that society as a whole, benefited from having an educated populace, would you agree with that statement?

 
Yes, and said as much in my second sentence 
 
"I believe it makes us a better society in general"
 
KTF 

MyWar

There are so many ads on here I can’t even make heads or tails … but ima go out on a limb and assume the founding fathers were in favor of public education?

First link is the PA State Constitution (without any ads). Shows pretty clearly what our founding fathers thought of education.

The second shows where the founding fathers were on education on a national level. It is not specifically written in the US Constitution, but there was a law passed for every state to join the Union must have public education.

I’m pretty confident that you fully support public education as you seem to support most publicly funded services. I’m guessing you are masterfully baiting some. I’m just shocked a few haven’t went back and edited their messages to follow the FoxNews, voucher/privatization party line. I’m sure some will in the next couple of days.