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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/17 10:28:04 (permalink)
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As the CEO of Tesla, and head of DOGE, why the he!! would he retweet a post saying Stalin, Mao and Hitler did not murder millions of people, “Their public sector workers did.”  
 What a fck'n idiot.




 
I don't know what the talking heads are saying, Dano, nor the context of tweet
But my "speculation" of what he was trying to covey, is that the public servants were supportive of, and willingly  did the dirty work.
 
That would be a true statement imHo 
 
KTF 
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/17 11:49:03 (permalink)
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dano
As the CEO of Tesla, and head of DOGE, why the he!! would he retweet a post saying Stalin, Mao and Hitler did not murder millions of people, “Their public sector workers did.”  
 What a fck'n idiot.




 
I don't know what the talking heads are saying, Dano, nor the context of tweet
But my "speculation" of what he was trying to covey, is that the public servants were supportive of, and willingly  did the dirty work.
 
That would be a true statement imHo 
 
KTF 
 




well, there was no context to the tweet. I saw this while looking for the latest DOGE cuts on X. I see he took it down, probably because he got scolded by either the WH, Tesla board of directors or both. For a smart guy, he sure does/says some stupid impulsive crap. 
 
 
post edited by dano - 2025/03/17 12:16:50
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/17 17:45:08 (permalink)
dano
For a smart guy, he sure does/says some stupid impulsive crap. 
 
 


The problem with musk and people like him are that they drastically overestimate themselves.

Sure you can’t deny he hit one out of the park. He probably even did it more than once.

But success went to his head and now he thinks he can’t miss. He thinks he’s going to hit them out of the park every single time he takes a swing and the world doesn’t work like that.

He has a serious problem on his hands with the way Tesla is falling apart. He borrowed a massive amount of money against Tesla stock to buy Twitter. That stock was WAY over valued to begin with and if current sales and industry trends continue, Elon and tesla both could both be under water on their outstanding loans.

This article is a pretty good read on how precarious his financial situation might be.

https://freedium.cfd/http...-will-die-d0ca25199b9f
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/17 18:20:34 (permalink)
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dano
For a smart guy, he sure does/says some stupid impulsive crap. 
 
 


The problem with musk and people like him are that they drastically overestimate themselves.



And for people like you…to quote Caddyshack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeJVTimlyWk
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/17 20:48:50 (permalink)
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genieman77
dano
As the CEO of Tesla, and head of DOGE, why the he!! would he retweet a post saying Stalin, Mao and Hitler did not murder millions of people, “Their public sector workers did.”  
 What a fck'n idiot.




 
I don't know what the talking heads are saying, Dano, nor the context of tweet
But my "speculation" of what he was trying to covey, is that the public servants were supportive of, and willingly  did the dirty work.
 
That would be a true statement imHo 
 
KTF 
 




well, there was no context to the tweet. I saw this while looking for the latest DOGE cuts on X. I see he took it down, probably because he got scolded by either the WH, Tesla board of directors or both. For a smart guy, he sure does/says some stupid impulsive crap. 
 
 




 
 Here is the tweet you were looking for...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJFHGhVOyuM
 
 I don't watch MT but looked it up for ya.
  
 
  
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/18 08:10:50 (permalink)
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dano
For a smart guy, he sure does/says some stupid impulsive crap. 
 
 

 He borrowed a massive amount of money against Tesla stock to buy Twitter. That stock was WAY over valued to begin with and if current sales and industry trends continue, Elon and tesla both could both be under water on their outstanding loans.




Yes, he way overpaid for twitter. What I remember back then when all of this was going on is that Musk was posting about censorship on Twitter and then accumulated shares and then puts in an impulsive bid to acquire the company. It seemed to me that the purchase was mainly to make a point.
 I really believe he didn't think the bid would be accepted. To his surprise, the bid was accepted. As the market and stock price fell, he tried to back out of the deal. He ended up being forced to buy the company or face a billion dollar fine and shareholder lawsuits.
He now has to borrow money to keep X afloat. 
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/18 08:31:54 (permalink)
It is amazing the support the blue collar community gives this guy. He is actively advertising to take yours and your children/grandchildren’s livelihood, while you praise his efforts.

https://www.tesla.com/AI

https://www.tesla.com/we-robot
post edited by Porktown - 2025/03/18 09:53:23
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/18 17:26:00 (permalink)
Porktown
It is amazing the support the blue collar community gives this guy. He is actively advertising to take yours and your children/grandchildren’s livelihood, while you praise his efforts.

https://www.tesla.com/AI

https://www.tesla.com/we-robot


Simple - MAGA is told to like him so they do. They liked Amy Barret to because they were told to. 

When - not if - when Trump and him break up, they will hate him. Because they're told to. 



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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/18 18:33:27 (permalink)
I guess so. To be clear, the guy is bad for most of us, work wise. Not just blue collar.

I really didn’t even know about the Tesla Bot, I was just looking on their site about the taxi. They list the usefulness of the Bot as doing “unsafe, boring or tedious jobs”. Unsafe is the reason of having high pay of many blue collar jobs. Same can be said of tedious as well. What job isn’t boring at times? These things are supposed to be $20k-$30k. Imagine being a line worker that makes $120k+, mostly because it is dangerous work. That is pay alone, that company likely pays twice that amount in insurance, taxes, benefits. Replaced for $20k???

Having a guy whose business model is set up to replace human jobs with AI and robotics, be the guy in charge of “efficiency”… I wonder how many of these “winning” factories supposedly moving to the US will be fully automated? Does moving manufacturing to the US mean all that much if it creates 20 new jobs, but should create 500? A simple Google search of what jobs will AI eliminate, manufacturing is pretty high on the list. Who needs regulations, businesses will do the right thing….
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/18 19:27:48 (permalink)
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I guess so. To be clear, the guy is bad for most of us, work wise. Not just blue collar.

I really didn’t even know about the Tesla Bot, I was just looking on their site about the taxi. They list the usefulness of the Bot as doing “unsafe, boring or tedious jobs”. Unsafe is the reason of having high pay of many blue collar jobs. Same can be said of tedious as well. What job isn’t boring at times? These things are supposed to be $20k-$30k. Imagine being a line worker that makes $120k+, mostly because it is dangerous work. That is pay alone, that company likely pays twice that amount in insurance, taxes, benefits. Replaced for $20k???

Having a guy whose business model is set up to replace human jobs with AI and robotics, be the guy in charge of “efficiency”… I wonder how many of these “winning” factories supposedly moving to the US will be fully automated? Does moving manufacturing to the US mean all that much if it creates 20 new jobs, but should create 500? A simple Google search of what jobs will AI eliminate, manufacturing is pretty high on the list. Who needs regulations, businesses will do the right thing….



 
He's suggested AI and AI bots can/will allow  universal basic income to happen.
and not just "bare basic" he claims it will be so efficient, universal income levels will be "middle class" 
 
KTF 
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/18 19:43:29 (permalink)
I heard that one candidate talk about that, I believe Yang? I haven’t heard Trump or Musk talk that. Not sure I’d believe it either, especially with how anti Socialist most people are and the stigma associated with any sort of entitlement. I’d bet money on people starving in the streets over a middle class level universal income. That is completely against Capitalism.
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/18 20:45:02 (permalink)
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I heard that one candidate talk about that, I believe Yang? I haven’t heard Trump or Musk talk that. Not sure I’d believe it either, 



Elon Musk Says Universal Income Is Inevitable: Why He Thinks That’s a Bad Thing | Nasdaq
In Musk’s eyes, advances in AI will change the world to the point that eventually, hardly anyone will even have a job. This will require governments to pay out a universal basic income, as most people won’t even be drawing a paycheck.
In 2024, Musk took his views a step further, telling the VivaTech conference in Paris that not just a basic income but a high universal income will be the future of the world. As Musk put it, “In a benign scenario … probably none of us will have a job. … But in that benign scenario, there will be universal high income — not universal basic income, universal high income. There will be no shortage of goods or services.
 
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/18 20:58:47 (permalink)
Let’s see it put in action. Perfect opportunity to get it started instead of tax cuts, don’t you think? With by far the most cuts going to those taking advantage of AI to cut jobs. Like said, my money is on people starving in the streets before this happens. Talk is cheap.
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/18 21:04:57 (permalink)
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Let’s see it put in action. Perfect opportunity to get it started 



 
we're a LONG way from that.
we'll be worm  food before it happens 
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/18 21:12:29 (permalink)
I’m sure SS will either be gone or raised to 80, then as I am ready to collect, they’ll enact this just rub salt in the wound!
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/03/19 01:37:06 (permalink)
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Porktown
I heard that one candidate talk about that, I believe Yang? I haven’t heard Trump or Musk talk that. Not sure I’d believe it either, 



Elon Musk Says Universal Income Is Inevitable: Why He Thinks That’s a Bad Thing | Nasdaq
In Musk’s eyes, advances in AI will change the world to the point that eventually, hardly anyone will even have a job. This will require governments to pay out a universal basic income, as most people won’t even be drawing a paycheck.
In 2024, Musk took his views a step further, telling the VivaTech conference in Paris that not just a basic income but a high universal income will be the future of the world. As Musk put it, “In a benign scenario … probably none of us will have a job. … But in that benign scenario, there will be universal high income — not universal basic income, universal high income. There will be no shortage of goods or services.
 
 
KTF


To be clear, in this quote, Elon musk is not advocating the idea of a universal basic income nor has he ever suggested it as any kind of policy goal in the short term.

In this quote he is simply saying he believes it will happen. Some day. In the future. It’s the same as if I said “someday the sun will turn into a supernova and burn the earth to a crisp”. I’m not saying I’m in favor of the idea, I’m just saying it will happen.

The current agenda he is pushing with Trump has absolutely nothing to with UBI, and suggesting otherwise is a fundamental misread of what him and his whole tech bro culture is about. He’s a “fukk everybody else I got mine” libertarian through and through.
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