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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/07 15:26:36
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Thats cherry picked you mean the 78 million people there not all conservatives.It's the liberal progressive Nonsence that got you TRUMP
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/07 15:27:04
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/07 15:35:25
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ICE NUT
Thats cherry picked you mean the 78 million people there not all conservatives.It's the liberal progressive Nonsence that got you TRUMP
Reading comprehension and logical thinking aren’t your strong suits are they?
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/07 22:27:00
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Trump should have announced to the boy and tv audience they just made a big cut to cancer research funds.
What amount has been cut? Which universities and research organizations are facing cuts? Are you sure they’re actually cuts to funding or are you just believing what your Orange Man Bad media sources are telling you? https://www.newsweek.com/...search-opinion-2040907
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/07 22:39:18
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He caved on it today after pushback from the people and the federal court stepped in. 22 states filed law suits. Thought most people knew this. Glad to help with what's happening 🥱 His new nickname should be Caveman 🤣
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/07 23:30:03
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I feel bad for Trump a little after the Musky and "Little Marco" spat that went on today. His neck is going to need a good icy hot rub down now.🥶
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/07 23:42:09
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☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2025/03/08 02:05:21
crappiefisher
He caved on it today after pushback from the people and the federal court stepped in. 22 states filed law suits. Thought most people knew this.
No he didn't. Neither did the NIH. He might. But he hasn't. Trump hasn't directly addressed this issue at all since the NIH announced it intended to do this in February actually. Also, you never answered - how much was the NIH going to cut from cancer research? Which universities and institutions were going to have their actual research budgets cut? You know, since you're glad to help with what's happening. Give us some figures.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 08:18:04
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crappiefisher
Trump should have announced to the boy and tv audience they just made a big cut to cancer research funds.
What amount has been cut? Which universities and research organizations are facing cuts?
Are you sure they’re actually cuts to funding or are you just believing what your Orange Man Bad media sources are telling you?
https://www.newsweek.com/...search-opinion-2040907
lol ok how about your employer stops paying you your salary because your boss says “snagr might be spending this money on hookers and blow, there is no way to know”. Your article suggests the possibility that grant money could be spent on other things like parties or non essential expense but offers no proof that they actually do. So why is the burden of proof on the other guy? How about YOU provide a source that actually indicates waste, fraud or abuse is ACTUALLY HAPPENING?
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 08:37:54
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crappiefisher
He caved on it today after pushback from the people and the federal court stepped in. 22 states filed law suits. Thought most people knew this.
No he didn't. Neither did the NIH.
He might. But he hasn't. Trump hasn't directly addressed this issue at all since the NIH announced it intended to do this in February actually.
Also, you never answered - how much was the NIH going to cut from cancer research? Which universities and institutions were going to have their actual research budgets cut? You know, since you're glad to help with what's happening. Give us some figures.
When I have some time I will gladly look up some of these grants. It’s all public information. But I’m not sure what the point of it will be if you’re just gonna say “but the university *might* be spending it on DEI!”. Because I think this routine of “I’m just asking questions” is only aimed at creating doubt and mistrust. You played this same game with Covid and vaccines. I don’t think you are interested in facts or truth, you’re just trying to make people believe they are being deceived.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 08:38:00
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So why is the burden of proof on the other guy?
because it's tax dollars and not private money, that's why. We administer millions in gov grant money every year. we have to account for every dollar. Can show exactly what it was spent on in detail what's wrong with asking for accounting on what/where/how/why every grant dollar is spent on? why would anyone be against that?  KTF
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 09:18:19
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what's wrong with asking for accounting on what/where/how/why every grant dollar is spent on?
why would anyone be against that?
I have absolutely no problem with that whatsoever. But that’s not what snagr posted. He didn’t say anything about an audit or more detailed accounting or anything of the sort. He posted one source that indicated funds MIGHT be used inappropriately, and suggested that was justification for termination of ALL funding. And that is very different. Trump has control of all of these federal agencies. If he wants to set more detailed terms for future grants and funding and make it so universities can’t spend tax dollars on DEI then it’s within his power to do so. But that is not the case for grants that have already been awarded and terms are already set. Terminating these existing funding streams is not fixing any problems, it’s just breaking the system. Also, how about we apply that detailed accounting to ALL federal agencies too, huh? I’m still waiting for DOGE to start looking at military spending which is a much larger chunk of tax dollars than NIH.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 10:13:33
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You really wish Harris was voted President dont you---
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 10:16:47
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The whole deal, whether it is cutting of funding or firing employees all comes down to how it is happening. This debate is completely separate of why it is happening. But some seem to feel, I can’t answer/defend how, so I will respond with why and try to move the conversation.
The why, some may say cuts aren’t needed, I think most agree they are. How much and where is up for debate.
The how, even the most MAGA on this site alone are questioning. Trump himself has made a 180 on the Musk randomly chopping without much if any research beyond “this program/employee costs this much”. The damage has already been done. Great for shifting gears, but it is a complete mess from how it started, caused from the top. Same is said of the tariff madness, handling of Ukraine and even the transgender debate. The why and how are completely different. Defending the why is up for debate and I can see both sides. The how on just about anything he is doing is either proving incompetence or that he is a deranged authoritarian.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 10:26:10
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Also, how about we apply that detailed accounting to ALL federal agencies too
I'm all for it as far as the opinion piece, it's legit to discuss the possible misuse. whether we can cut/resend grants after awarded, that's legit concern too. I don't think we can (though I'm open to investigating and where fraud or negligent waste is found, requiring pay back) KTF
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 10:47:13
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☄ Helpfulby ICE NUT 2025/03/08 10:53:19
Porktown
The whole deal, whether it is cutting of funding or firing employees all comes down to how it is happening.
this might apply?? "It became necessary to destroy the town to save it." Trump has rightly clip'd Musk's wings. Thing is, if we "all agree" gov needs reform, I think we can all also agree, what we've tried in the past hasn't worked. doing more of the same, will give same results...nothing ("do what we've always done, get what you've always got" ) If we all agree "biz as usual" ain't workin' for the last couple generations, then shake it up! First time in my life we're not seeing "biz as usual" buckle-up, lets go for a ride!! KTF
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 10:53:35
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I don't think we can (though I'm open to investigating and where fraud or negligent waste is found, requiring pay back)
KTF
I believe this is specified in the FAR and it does get investigated. My company was investigated many years ago for possible infractions of some details in the process. Nothing found, but were made aware of gray areas that were suggested to be addressed to avoid further investigations. We all had to go through some additional training classes for it. Which is why as you have noted in the past dealing with any Federal contracts, there is a book worth if regulations, in attempt to counter fraud/waste. Hard to “cut regulations” and “cut waste”, since one is in place to cut the other in theory at least. “Red tape” isn’t there, just to be “red tape”. I think without being an attorney or contracting officer, the issue with red tape is that they add new regulations without cutting the ones that they are supposed to replace. Something DOGE should be focusing on, but doesn’t seem to be the case. Our weekly departmental meetings report on everything going on that remotely affects our business. This would be pretty high on the list of items and hasn’t been talked about.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 11:01:58
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I think we can all also agree, what we've tried in the past hasn't worked.
No, it did work in the 90s under Clinton and a bipartisan Congress. Maybe not 100%, but the framework was there. Then completely torn to shreds after. Going back to the why vs how. How it was implemented with departments ordered to review, Congressional committees and studies out the rear. First cuts were 6 months after, to make sure it was at least thought out. The remainder of the cuts took something like 6 years. You can debate the why, of what departments had to cut what spending. But how it was implemented was night and day to this. Proof of incompetence from the top down.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 11:20:16
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Can't wait for Trump's tax cut plan that will tank us trillions. Yes what a ride that will be.
Laura Ingraham, Dana Perino and more and more Republican's in Congress are not happy with Donald lately.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 11:30:47
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Over 100 lawsuits filed under this term so far. Judge just terminated a big one yesterday that should make everyone relieved. This is like playing Go Fish. What a clown 🤡 show.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 11:52:20
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I’d imagine a ton of lawsuits under any administration’s first few months. That is when the most EU’s are issued. Many of them I imagine are more symbolic, knowing they will likely be shot down. Mostly pandering to the bases. I wouldn’t be shocked if Trump is setting records though. He is all about going big and doubling down.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 12:13:51
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Yeah Biden was sued at least 18 times in his first 100 days. Trump is still under 50 days I think.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 12:22:50
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☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2025/03/08 14:11:52
This place is the best.
The media creates a new Orange Man Bad narrative this week that gets parroted everywhere, including here, that says Trump is cutting funding for cancer research.
I ask, "Oh, how much is he cutting from cancer research?"
Nobody can provide an answer. People resort to name calling and straw manning as usual because they know their Orange Man Bad narrative doesn't stand up to facts.
The answer is that the National Institutes of Health told these entities that receive funding to use MORE of the funding for actual research, less on indirect spending (capping it at 15%) instead of having no cap. In line with grants from private foundations that fund the same sorts of things - more generous actually because those are generally from 0-10%. NIH says funding is still the same, but you have to provide receipts and be more responsible with taxpayer dollars.
Of course there are lawsuits. People that need accountability and oversight really don't like it when they get accountability and oversight.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 12:31:56
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He caved, meaning he lost again. It's history now. I've never called him "Orange Man" in my life that I know of. Off to file taxes 💰 Musky biting below the dam on M/C
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 12:43:04
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Musky biting below the dam on M/C
They always are! Hate them things down there when I’m trying to catch the tasty ones.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 18:42:15
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Iran has come out saying NO talks with the US.
Oh well-we tried doing it nicely.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/08 23:19:04
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Iran has come out saying NO talks with the US.
Oh well-we tried doing it nicely.
heck yeah brother let's go to war!
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/09 08:21:31
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Does it taste sweet or salty ??
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I love the sweet smell of Victory and the Salty taste of Liberal Tears in my coffee. BB
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/09 14:25:16
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Some TDS’er went to White House on a mission, mission failed.
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Re: Trump 2024
2025/03/09 16:28:06
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snagr
This place is the best.
The media creates a new Orange Man Bad narrative this week that gets parroted everywhere, including here, that says Trump is cutting funding for cancer research.
I ask, "Oh, how much is he cutting from cancer research?"
Nobody can provide an answer. People resort to name calling and straw manning as usual because they know their Orange Man Bad narrative doesn't stand up to facts.
The answer is that the National Institutes of Health told these entities that receive funding to use MORE of the funding for actual research, less on indirect spending (capping it at 15%) instead of having no cap. In line with grants from private foundations that fund the same sorts of things - more generous actually because those are generally from 0-10%. NIH says funding is still the same, but you have to provide receipts and be more responsible with taxpayer dollars.
Of course there are lawsuits. People that need accountability and oversight really don't like it when they get accountability and oversight.
Yeah, I know a kid, whose mom I work with, that lost his job with the NIH...he's researching the cancer that killed his dad. It was his life's mission. Super smart kid, has his doctorate. Needs to find a new job by November because their research $ is over. Take that for what it's worth.
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