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r3g3
Zalenski demanded security guarantees- which usually means troops on the ground--NO WAY

Why sign a deal with the US.
Russia is going to do what they want anyway. 
While Elon Musk walks away with their Lithium.

Back in the day, when the CIA wasnt killing JFK and starting regime changes, they devised a plan to steal titanium from the Soviet Union to build the SR-71..


As for today, Ol Z tried to bite the hand that feeds. His days were numbered and he knows it. Somehow he will get a golden parachute out from France or the UK

The A-10 is my favorite but the SR-71is a close 2nd.

Zel's prob'ly gotta go
Ukrainian people need a Neville Chamberlan about now.
Someone that goes along with everything Trump and Putin negotiate 
 
reality is, unless UK and France pick up the tab, they have no choice, Ukrainian peeps are fck'd
 that's just the way it is 
 
 
 
to quote a movie line,
"there's the way it ought to be, and there's the way it is" 
 
 
 
 
 
KTF 

genieman77
Zel's prob'ly gotta go
Ukrainian people need a Neville Chamberlan about now.
Someone that goes along with everything Trump and Putin negotiate 
 
reality is, unless UK and France pick up the tab, they have no choice, Ukrainian peeps are fck'd
 that's just the way it is 
 
 
 
to quote a movie line,
"there's the way it ought to be, and there's the way it is" 
 
 
 
 
 
KTF 

Genie,maybe Zelinski should go plead to Canada or even Mexico Im sure they would like to help out there as worthless as EU and NATO

That train wreck should have never been on TV. It looks to me that the US made the same mistake that Russia did.
They thought Ukraine could be be bullied and extorted.
Vance goes as far as accusing Z of not being thankful enough and not obedient enough. 
You can see right off, there's a disagreement if how much direct aid has been actually received by Ukraine.  $350B vs $100B. 
And apparently,  US security hadn't been agreed upon or discussed.
Just a thought but, on the issue of security; if you were an American mining company, would you take a chance going to an unstable Ukraine without any type of US Security agreement. 
The whole show was confusing. It didn't sound like there was an actual agreement. Just the concept of an agreement.

crappiefisher
According to Donnie 

 
It's Trump, so hoo noze how he came up with that.
 likely counting all the peripherals like mil time analyzing movements, data , white house briefings and janitor's time to clean up water glasses and empty waste baskets...  
 
$171b is latest estimate spent.
as far as I know, it's legit 
 
here's where we were at a year ago
 
List of military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia
 
By March 2024....
European countries have provided €132 billion in aid (military, financial and humanitarian) as of December 2024, and the United States has provided €114 billion.
 
note that's "all" Euro countries (27 or more?) vs US 
I figure Zel won't have our well to draw from any longer 
 
 
 
KTF 
 
 

Like most things, it is how it is being handled. Most Americans would likely agree, government is wasteful and something should be done. Even the biggest MAGAs on here are saying “wish he would pull it back a hair and not well thought out”. Same deal with Ukraine, should we be spending close to what all of Europe is combined, probably not. Should we be berating the Ukrainian leader, calling him a dictator and claiming he started things? Where is the Trump from November that denounced the Project 2025 and talked that Europe should pick up the slack. NONE of this was what he put out there then and “people voted for”. It is turning out to be pretty close to what guys like MyWar warned of. Hopefully it is just a smoke screen, if not, you know what the Nazis did to the old and frail?

BTW, not trying to be a jerk. Imagine the “efficiency” if Medicare and SS were eliminated. Then private health insurance not covering the elderly. It will happen if left unchecked. It was part of the original plan.

genieman77

 
my "speculation" on that, is to brainwash those with a good working moral compass to not feel so bad  about  throwing the Ukrainian people under the bus
 
KTF 

It would take a REALLY gullible populace to fall for that, over him being a complete phony POS. But we know his base, so fits well.

 
  Quote: 
Porktown,
"Should we be berating the Ukrainian leader, calling him a dictator and claiming he started things?"
 
  What you talkin' 'bout Holmes? After 2 days he has dementia. Mind is fading rapidly daily. Need to quit letting these old farts run for any office. 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnWUy0rkvhg