Irisheyeball

MyWar

Irisheyeball
How about we identify the federal agency, the activity or program, and an approximate year it was approved and we look it up?!  No mystery.

How about the FEMA payments to NYC that Elon Musk is lying through his teeth about and the Trump administration is illegally withholding?

This is a real mess that touches directly on what we've been talking about with a lot of added intrigue involving NY Mayor Adams, his recent troubles, and his bromance with Trump.
 
Musk claims his DOGE bags have uncovered a misapplication of funds by NYC, claiming that money appropriated for disaster relief is being misspent on "luxury hotels" for illegal aliens.  This is just stupid.  Disaster relief is funded at $20+Billion a year.  In 2022 and beyond congress provided for the transfer of about $650 mil from Border Security to FEMA for administration of a grant program for Shelter and Services for migrants moving through the system.  There's a wide variety of eligible activities in this program, including shelter and hotel costs.  The appropriation for this program specifies how hotel costs are to be calculated using data from the General Services Admin.  NYC applied for and was awarded grant funds under this program.  Somewhere there is a legal grant agreement, that is, a contract between the city and FEMA laying out the terms.  Musk seems to be simply making some kind of huge leap in logic and reason by charging that the funds were supposed to be used for disaster relief.  This is just annoying.  They applied for a grant.  They got it. A contract was entered into. Trump is indeed holding back these funds, but it's the mechanisms that he used here that are astounding.  Grant funds were provided on a reimbursement basis, meaning NY spent the money, having already been assured costs were eligible, and were to be reimbursed by FEMA.  And that actually happened.  That means that, essentially, receipts were gathered into a draw request, which would have then been examined by the financial institution accepting the draw as well as by city finance officials and analysts at FEMA.  The money was approved by some (former) FEMA officials and was transferred to the city's deposit account.  Then, it was snatched back!  I have no idea how this gets done.  I've never seen it happen in this way.  Somebody at the bank would have had to cave to pressure for this to occur.
 
Musk seems to think he can just bully his way through this...that if he repeats his lies loudly enough, he'll win public support and get his away.  I have to believe the Gov't would be laughed out of court if this matter gets to that point, however.  But will that happen?  For another angle on what's going on in NYC re border security and migrant processing read U.S. Atty Sassoon's recent letter to Pam Biondi on the rationale for dropping federal indictments against Mayor Adams and the blatant quid pro quo Trump's attorneys are pushing.
 

It's revenge man. That's all the NYC thing is. 

genieman77

Irisheyeball
There's a wide variety of eligible activities in this program, including shelter and hotel costs.
 

 
Using a fishing analogy;

 
 
 
 
 

It's dardy teaching analogy courses over in the old guys thread? Man I gotta get back in there.

Right. I'm that guy whose texts have to be grammatically correct. My kids make fun of me for that.

Irisheyeball


  Then, it was snatched back!  I have no idea how this gets done. 

Oh this is easy. I work in payment systems. I’d almost guarantee it was an ACH debit. Probably the same mechanism used to disburse the funds initially. Could have been a drawdown wire too, but that’s the less likely option.

Really all they need is an ABA and account number and they can just as easily deduct funds as send them.

Which is another reason why it’s extremely distressing that these DOGE idiots have access to the treasury databases that have all the bank routing info for anybody that has ever received an electronic payment from the government (which isn’t just social security, it’s tax returns too). The DOGE idiots may not even have nefarious intent themselves, all they have to do is fail to secure the data properly, which would result in being compromised by an outside actor.

crappiefisher
 
 
 GMan.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgOvpIK_kSA

 
'Fisher, I just got off the fone with Elon.
He says I can release the grant bukz to fly you to a Kenai lodge for salmon and trout fishing.
(you can get a latte at the airport Starbucks too!!) 
 
He grudgingly allowed me to fund M'War's trip after i insisted (because I reely DO "try" to luv everyone) 
 
butt since it's him....he gets the  Man Hole on  a prime conditions weekend when shoulder to shoulder ONLY
..to fish for creek chubs ONLY utilizing a bent, rusty kitchen fork tied to an anchor  rope
The funding I'm utilizing doesn't allow anymore discretion than that  
 
KTF
 
 
 
 

FishinGuy
It's dardy teaching analogy courses over in the old guys thread? Man I gotta get back in there.

And your February FishUSA Forums post of the month, goes to…. This guy right here!

genieman77

crappiefisher
 
 
 GMan.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgOvpIK_kSA

 
'Fisher, I just got off the fone with Elon.
He says I can release the grant bukz to fly you to a Kenai lodge for salmon and trout fishing.
(you can get a latte at the airport Starbucks too!!) 
 
He grudgingly allowed me to fund M'War's trip after i insisted (because I reely DO "try" to luv everyone) 
 
butt since it's him....he gets the  Man Hole on  a prime conditions weekend when shoulder to shoulder ONLY
..to fish for creek chubs ONLY utilizing a bent, rusty kitchen fork tied to an anchor  rope
The funding I'm utilizing doesn't allow anymore discretion than that  
 
KTF
 
 
 
 

 Thanks Man, Never been on a plane or at a Starbucks.
 
 I would have been happy walking to the local crick with some Crickets, fishing for Crick Chubs and having a Zero bar to snack on. Reminds me of mountain native Brook Trout fishing.
 
 Tell Mr. Muskie I said  
 Half of zero is still zero. 

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/14/nx-s1-5298190/nuclear-agency-trump-firings-nnsa

You won’t see a better example of the utter incompetence of musk and Trump.

They have no idea what these people and these federal agencies even do. Apparently they believe the federal government is a reality TV show.

MyWar
https://www.npr.org/2025/...ncy-trump-firings-nnsa

You won’t see a better example of the utter incompetence of musk and Trump.

They have no idea what these people and these federal agencies even do. Apparently they believe the federal government is a reality TV show.

This is what happens when you bring an ax to fillet the bluegills.  Rich guys who think they're the smartest in the room...wtf

psu_fish

MyWar
https://www.npr.org/2025/...ncy-trump-firings-nnsa

You won’t see a better example of the utter incompetence of musk and Trump.

They have no idea what these people and these federal agencies even do. Apparently they believe the federal government is a reality TV show.

Yea bruh, they wear dresses and steal women's luggage.

Sam Brinton was a low level employee of the Dept of Energy and was fired after 6 months.  While we now have a KGB sympathizer in charge of National Security, a former heroin addict in charge of Health and Human Services, and a Fox news reporter, who promised to quit drinking IF he got the job, in charge of the Pentagon.  

Well lets see we had a crack head son in the white house,a defense secretary who was awol and nobody knew where he was,a general milley who would notify china if we were going to attack,a vice president who never got a single vote , I could go on and on.

psu_fish

MyWar
https://www.npr.org/2025/...ncy-trump-firings-nnsa

You won’t see a better example of the utter incompetence of musk and Trump.

They have no idea what these people and these federal agencies even do. Apparently they believe the federal government is a reality TV show.

Yea bruh, they wear dresses and steal women's luggage.

Actually no, they were NNSA employees who had to be re-hired because they oversee the US stockpile of nuclear weapons. Apparently none of the people “in charge” had any idea that these people did really important jobs.

How strange that fishusa MAGA doesn’t have anything intelligent to say about this???

Anyway… Here’s another funny story about how dumb the new regime is: When they were cleaning house at the FBI they accidentally put Brian Driscoll’s name in as the acting director on their website, when it was really supposed to be somebody else. So instead of of fixing the website they just decided to go with Driscoll (aka “the Drizz”), who has decided he is not taking any shiit from the idiots in charge now.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna190301

So once they get Patel in, I guess it remains to be seen whether Trump and musk are ultimately dumb enough to illegally fire thousands of FBI agents, agents who have extensive experience in areas like counterterrorism, homeland security, drug tracking … actually lol no, who are we kidding, we all know how dumb they are, they’ll definitely do it.

MyWar

psu_fish

MyWar
https://www.npr.org/2025/...ncy-trump-firings-nnsa

You won’t see a better example of the utter incompetence of musk and Trump.

They have no idea what these people and these federal agencies even do. Apparently they believe the federal government is a reality TV show.

Yea bruh, they wear dresses and steal women's luggage.

Actually no, they were NNSA employees who had to be re-hired because they oversee the US stockpile of nuclear weapons. Apparently none of the people “in charge” had any idea that these people did really important jobs.

How strange that fishusa MAGA doesn’t have anything intelligent to say about this???

Anyway… Here’s another funny story about how dumb the new regime is: When they were cleaning house at the FBI they accidentally put Brian Driscoll’s name in as the acting director on their website, when it was really supposed to be somebody else. So instead of of fixing the website they just decided to go with Driscoll (aka “the Drizz”), who has decided he is not taking any shiit from the idiots in charge now.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna190301

So once they get Patel in, I guess it remains to be seen whether Trump and musk are ultimately dumb enough to illegally fire thousands of FBI agents, agents who have extensive experience in areas like counterterrorism, homeland security, drug tracking … actually lol no, who are we kidding, we all know how dumb they are, they’ll definitely do it.

Why hasn't the DNC hired you to be the next Axlerod? You have all the answers (but no family). Guess all those hours of listening to BlackFlag are paying off lol