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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 00:31:49 (permalink)
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How about we identify the federal agency, the activity or program, and an approximate year it was approved and we look it up?!  No mystery.


How about the FEMA payments to NYC that Elon Musk is lying through his teeth about and the Trump administration is illegally withholding?

This is a real mess that touches directly on what we've been talking about with a lot of added intrigue involving NY Mayor Adams, his recent troubles, and his bromance with Trump.
 
Musk claims his DOGE bags have uncovered a misapplication of funds by NYC, claiming that money appropriated for disaster relief is being misspent on "luxury hotels" for illegal aliens.  This is just stupid.  Disaster relief is funded at $20+Billion a year.  In 2022 and beyond congress provided for the transfer of about $650 mil from Border Security to FEMA for administration of a grant program for Shelter and Services for migrants moving through the system.  There's a wide variety of eligible activities in this program, including shelter and hotel costs.  The appropriation for this program specifies how hotel costs are to be calculated using data from the General Services Admin.  NYC applied for and was awarded grant funds under this program.  Somewhere there is a legal grant agreement, that is, a contract between the city and FEMA laying out the terms.  Musk seems to be simply making some kind of huge leap in logic and reason by charging that the funds were supposed to be used for disaster relief.  This is just annoying.  They applied for a grant.  They got it. A contract was entered into. Trump is indeed holding back these funds, but it's the mechanisms that he used here that are astounding.  Grant funds were provided on a reimbursement basis, meaning NY spent the money, having already been assured costs were eligible, and were to be reimbursed by FEMA.  And that actually happened.  That means that, essentially, receipts were gathered into a draw request, which would have then been examined by the financial institution accepting the draw as well as by city finance officials and analysts at FEMA.  The money was approved by some (former) FEMA officials and was transferred to the city's deposit account.  Then, it was snatched back!  I have no idea how this gets done.  I've never seen it happen in this way.  Somebody at the bank would have had to cave to pressure for this to occur.
 
Musk seems to think he can just bully his way through this...that if he repeats his lies loudly enough, he'll win public support and get his away.  I have to believe the Gov't would be laughed out of court if this matter gets to that point, however.  But will that happen?  For another angle on what's going on in NYC re border security and migrant processing read U.S. Atty Sassoon's recent letter to Pam Biondi on the rationale for dropping federal indictments against Mayor Adams and the blatant quid pro quo Trump's attorneys are pushing.
 



It's revenge man. That's all the NYC thing is. 
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 06:09:19 (permalink)
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There's a wide variety of eligible activities in this program, including shelter and hotel costs.
 




Hey, MyWar, I call that discretion.
 I personally administer millions a year of gov money programs.
Here's how I know the appropriations I administer work.
 
Using a fishing analogy;
I have 5 gov appropriated funding sources to send you on a fishing trip.
One source dictates the money can only be used to send you to the Manchester hole ONLY  to catch creek chubs ONLY.
while another pot I can draw from doesn't have such strict, narrowly defined parameters and I can send you anywhere to fish for anything and even let you stop at walmart to buy ice and cooler 
 
 as far as bureaucrats, I deal with them regular too (albeit mostly state level) 
Know what I know?  they're no different than the rest of the world 
3 out of 5 are hopelessly stupid..just like you 
 
KTF   
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 08:41:04 (permalink)
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There's a wide variety of eligible activities in this program, including shelter and hotel costs.
 





 
Using a fishing analogy;

 
 
 
 
 


It's dardy teaching analogy courses over in the old guys thread? Man I gotta get back in there.
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 08:44:51 (permalink)
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Better to just not edit the typo. Some of us can figure it out using context clues. Others can barely read. Some may blow a gasket for some of reason and start calling you a liar again.
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 08:53:35 (permalink)
Right. I'm that guy whose texts have to be grammatically correct. My kids make fun of me for that.
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 08:56:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2025/02/14 09:41:05
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There's a wide variety of eligible activities in this program, including shelter and hotel costs.
 





 
Using a fishing analogy;

 
 
 
 
 


It's dardy teaching analogy courses over in the old guys thread? Man I gotta get back in there.


Hey now.

The poster formally known as Duncsdad

Everything I say can be fully substantiated by my own opinion.
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 09:00:52 (permalink)
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  Then, it was snatched back!  I have no idea how this gets done. 


Oh this is easy. I work in payment systems. I’d almost guarantee it was an ACH debit. Probably the same mechanism used to disburse the funds initially. Could have been a drawdown wire too, but that’s the less likely option.

Really all they need is an ABA and account number and they can just as easily deduct funds as send them.

Which is another reason why it’s extremely distressing that these DOGE idiots have access to the treasury databases that have all the bank routing info for anybody that has ever received an electronic payment from the government (which isn’t just social security, it’s tax returns too). The DOGE idiots may not even have nefarious intent themselves, all they have to do is fail to secure the data properly, which would result in being compromised by an outside actor.
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 09:27:29 (permalink)
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There's a wide variety of eligible activities in this program, including shelter and hotel costs.
 




Hey, MyWar, I call that discretion.
 
 


If by “discretion” you mean funds appropriated for hotel and shelter costs can be used for a motel 6 or a best western or a comfort inn or apartment rental or any of many costs that could be reasonably related to shelter or housing, then yes.

If by “discretion” you mean that funds appropriated for hotel and shelter costs can just be spent on anything you want, then no.

Furthermore, if DOGE was in any way remotely serious about what they were doing, they would be going through the expenses and payment reporting with auditors and forensic accountants, not kids with a background in coding. They would be looking for examples where money was spent on something it was not appropriated for.

It’s not within their legal right to determine whether this funding should or should not exist. The funding has already been legally appropriated by Congress. Plus they are also straight up lying about it too.
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 09:31:42 (permalink)
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 GMan.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgOvpIK_kSA




 
'Fisher, I just got off the fone with Elon.
He says I can release the grant bukz to fly you to a Kenai lodge for salmon and trout fishing.
(you can get a latte at the airport Starbucks too!!) 
 
He grudgingly allowed me to fund M'War's trip after i insisted (because I reely DO "try" to luv everyone) 
 
butt since it's him....he gets the  Man Hole on  a prime conditions weekend when shoulder to shoulder ONLY
..to fish for creek chubs ONLY utilizing a bent, rusty kitchen fork tied to an anchor  rope
The funding I'm utilizing doesn't allow anymore discretion than that  
 
KTF
 
 
 
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 10:46:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2025/02/14 12:16:56
Genie your cracking me up love it. Ah the wihining never stops its going to be a long 4 years for the libs and maybe even 8 more after that the winning keeps happening every day. Those soo many experts on this forum I can't understand why Elon hasn't recruited them to help out.LOL 
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 11:49:59 (permalink)
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It's dardy teaching analogy courses over in the old guys thread? Man I gotta get back in there.


And your February FishUSA Forums post of the month, goes to…. This guy right here!
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 12:00:42 (permalink)
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It's revenge man. That's all the NYC thing is. 


Trump's revenge against the City.  DOJ has dropped the Eric Adams indictments in exchange for our Everywhere All At Once president being able to play mayor for a few months.  He has ICE inside Rikers which will soon lead to "huge breakthroughs" in deporting dangerous migrants.  That, and I really think he wants to mess with the Manhattan congestion pricing thing.  Mob stuff.
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 12:21:19 (permalink)
Yeaaaa like so many here I long for the good old days of Obama/Biden and Biden /Harris
Trump has things soooo fouled up.
Really wish Harris had won so America  could have continued the path it was on into the third world.
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 13:21:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2025/02/14 14:18:52
I miss Brandon.Kamoola and the lying Wray with his flaring nose miss little petey to just not the same looney tunes
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 13:54:25 (permalink)
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 GMan.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgOvpIK_kSA




 
'Fisher, I just got off the fone with Elon.
He says I can release the grant bukz to fly you to a Kenai lodge for salmon and trout fishing.
(you can get a latte at the airport Starbucks too!!) 
 
He grudgingly allowed me to fund M'War's trip after i insisted (because I reely DO "try" to luv everyone) 
 
butt since it's him....he gets the  Man Hole on  a prime conditions weekend when shoulder to shoulder ONLY
..to fish for creek chubs ONLY utilizing a bent, rusty kitchen fork tied to an anchor  rope
The funding I'm utilizing doesn't allow anymore discretion than that  
 
KTF
 
 
 
 




 Thanks Man, Never been on a plane or at a Starbucks.
 
 I would have been happy walking to the local crick with some Crickets, fishing for Crick Chubs and having a Zero bar to snack on. Reminds me of mountain native Brook Trout fishing.
 
 Tell Mr. Muskie I said  
 Half of zero is still zero. 
post edited by crappiefisher - 2025/02/14 14:26:50
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Re: Trump 2024 2025/02/14 16:12:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2025/02/14 18:15:36
Trump hanging a photo of his mugshot from Georgia in the hallway leading to the oval office is great, and it sets the libs off even more 
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