another dying hunting tradition

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2011/09/03 18:27:06 (permalink)

another dying hunting tradition

Was surprised & saddened to read in this issue of "The Penna. Game News" that thier subscription has dropped from 2oo,ooo in 1970 to approx. 46,000 now.I guess that with the dying off of the older hunters & the numbers of new recruits not keeping up, plus the lack of intrest in many youngsters this is inevetable. The Editor is asking for suggestions to reverse this trend. I would suggest that they try to sell more advrertising to help lower the cost of each issue. Currently the cost is $3.99 each, with a very small discount for multiple year sub. Also I would like to see a monthly high-light of our game-lands, even though many on this board would call this "spot burning". I think that by showing others where to hunt may help keep some hunter from quitting.If you have any idea to help keep this tradition alive I suggest that you contact the editors of the Game News or to: Joe Neville,Bureau of Info. & Educ.,2001 Elmerton Avenue, Harrisburg,Pa.,17110-9797. sam
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    S-10
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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/03 19:00:07 (permalink)
    Pick up a copy of the Game News from the seventies and compare the content in it to one from the last five years and you will see one big reason for the drop in subscription. I droped mine a decade ago for that reason and it hasn't gotten any better since. It would be interesting to see a year by year history of the drop since 1970.

    I don't think they ever made money from the Game News and have ignored suggestions of adding advertising for decades. When they do that the advertisers will want a say on the content of the magazine. In the past they accepted the finincial loss as the price for a vehicle to get their position/spin on various issues out to the public. They sent a lot of free isues to schools, etc as a way to sell their policies.

    They aren't green enough to compete with the enviromental publications and no longer focus on hunter friendly issues enough to maintain sales to the hunters who have become upset with their current policies. Between those specific problems and the general decline in magazine subscriptions nationwide they have tough sledding ahead.

    My guess is they will continue to fund it at a loss as a way to present their version on hunting related issues.
    post edited by S-10 - 2011/09/04 18:00:26
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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/04 22:43:10 (permalink)
    My dad was a subscriber for a long time and quit for awhile befor starting again in the late 80's and I've been getting it since the late nineties.I have a huge stack of his magazines from the 70's in their attic.I enjoy the magazine and would also like to see info on different gamelands featured.

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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/05 01:58:51 (permalink)
    A better PA hunting and fishing magazine. http://outdoornews.com/pennsylvania/

    and web are going to wipe them out



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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/05 09:17:29 (permalink)
    I still get it and will for the time being,

    I have noticed that it is not just the Pa Game News suffering... most magazines and newspapers are suffering. The internet is the way so many get their news, information and stories now.

    Even Pa outdoor news found that out when they first started, I helped get a message board started there and news, info etc started showing up there ( on the board)long before the newspaper was printed so they dropped the message board idea...

    Most of your major sporting magazines are just about giving them away if you "wait them out" for re-newing... I got three years of field and stream for a song and dance by waiting an extra 6 moths before re-newing plus a free gift worth more that the price of the subscription..

    I agree the PGC will more than likely continue publishing the mag at a loss.. if necessary.. just to get info out

    Info is available 24/7 and let's face it = most of the magazines now have a website to read the magazine (or most of it) for free in the internet...

    I do enjoy the personal stories of other Pa hunters and the field notes the best....
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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/05 10:02:46 (permalink)
    I use to get the PA Game News, but drop it in favor of the PFBC Angler and Boater.
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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/05 13:54:04 (permalink)
    I agree that the "Outdoor News" is a better choice, especialy for current news. Also they will help promote club events. They have been helping our club for the last few years.When the PGC stopped giving away copies to the schools & library we "The Irwin Sportsnmans Club" helped by providing free subscriptions to several schools & librarys in our area. We did that because "The Pa. Game News" was always the most read mag. in our school & public Library.I doubt that is true now. BTW THE PGC has started to provide free copies to them again. I still read mine from cover to cover as soon as I get it. Also I have had 2 friends featured in stories in there, which gives it a local slant for me. sam




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    A better PA hunting and fishing magazine. http://outdoornews.com/pennsylvania/

    and web are going to wipe them out



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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/05 13:57:08 (permalink)
    "The Pa. Game News" was always the most read mag. in our school & public Library


    Also in Bradford


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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/05 21:29:30 (permalink)
    Maybe it is a sign of my age, but I always felt like the PA Game News was a better substitute for toilet paper than it was reading material. 
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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/05 22:41:15 (permalink)
    I think it goes to prove that many hunters aren't buying what the PGC is selling.
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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/06 07:56:26 (permalink)
    As a youth and for sometime beyond I couldn't wait to read the Game News, especially Don Lewis's column.  It had more Pa appeal, obviously, than the national magazines.  In the early 90's, as a member of the PA Outdoor Writers Association, I even interviewed for the associate editors position. 
     
    For some reason, and it wasn't not getting the job -- they hired the right guy, I lost interest in the magazine.  Maybe I became more interested in the world outside of the PA world; maybe I had read enough "me and Joe" stories written by amatuer writers; maybe I didn't find the field notes funny any longer; or maybe it is because a lot of the columnists that I liked were long gone.  I don't know.  My father, who is 87, still gets the magazine and gives them to me when he is done reading them.  I graciously take them (like I did yesterday), thank him for them, and then deposit them in the trash, unread, when I get home.

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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/06 11:51:12 (permalink)
    In the late 70's or early 80's after selling a article on "handfishing for turtles" to the PFC that was published in the Pa. Angler,I was also invited to join the Penna. Outdoor Writers group. I declined because then as now,I have poor typing or puter expertise.But my intrest in reading about Penna. outdoors has not waned .I would like to suggest that insted of throwing the"Game News" away that you could,after removing your address for security reasons,drop the copy off at either a dentist or Dr. office or waiting room at the Auto center for others to read. You may just spark some intrest in our sports. Or do as we do at our club,send some mags in a care package to someone in the service,we have had a lot of good comments from our soldiers on this. You can drop some off to a V.A. hospital also.Or even drop some off at your sportsmans club meeting. Anything to try to drum up some intrest. sam
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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/06 15:08:43 (permalink)
    "Anything to try to drum up some intrest."

    Since the PGC just had a position posted for a Wildlife Conservation Education Specialist, whose primary job responsibility is to drum up interest in hunting in PA, I think I'll let the $42,000 to $62,000 plus benefits staffer do that.
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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/06 16:11:44 (permalink)
    A few more deer, ringnecks, and small game to chase and fewer dollars spent on bats, rats, nature trails and bird watching stations would drum up more interest in all things PGC including their magazine.
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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/06 16:15:14 (permalink)
    Evidently you have more faith in the PGC than I do. sam
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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/06 16:32:40 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: DarDys
    Since the PGC just had a position posted for a Wildlife Conservation Education Specialist, whose primary job responsibility is to drum up interest in hunting in PA, I think I'll let the $42,000 to $62,000 plus benefits staffer do that.



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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/07 08:05:44 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: mr.crappie

    Evidently you have more faith in the PGC than I do. sam

     
    If they hire the right person, they might be able to slow the bleeding.  It won't stop and certainly won't be reversed.  Typically once someone makes the decision to quit doing something, especially if they divest themselves of the necessary gear and it will require a sizable investment to regear, they don't return.
     
    As for my part to promote hunting, every year there has been a Youth Pheasant season, I have volunteered the Pointers and myself to take youths afield -- first for PGC stocked birds and then, for the last two years, as part of a preserve program which not only had birds out for the youths to hunt, but also permitted them to shoot some trap, a .22, archery, particpate in dog demos, win doorprizes, and have a free lunch.

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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/07 08:06:26 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: tull66


    ORIGINAL: DarDys
    Since the PGC just had a position posted for a Wildlife Conservation Education Specialist, whose primary job responsibility is to drum up interest in hunting in PA, I think I'll let the $42,000 to $62,000 plus benefits staffer do that.



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    But am I "not a good guy" either?

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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/07 09:09:37 (permalink)
    I used to sit in the Library at LHU every month waiting on the new copy to come in. The writing was honest and real. When an author described how nervous they were, or excited etc...

    That was in the early 90's. Over the course of that decade I noticed a change in the articles, they became less about the emotion and excitement of the hunt. I began to see statements like

    "I looked up to see that my 100 sq. in. of orange was still visible". "I checked to see that my saftey harness was securely fastened". etc.

    The stories became less about the fun and more about whatever gamelaw and saftey propaganda could be interjected. Maybe it was always there, and I just grew up enough to recognize it, or maybe there was a concerted effort to include more saftey and law information, but either way I just didn't find the magazine nearly as interesting as it had been in the past. So I dropped my subscription.

    If you are force feeding someone, then having them enjoy it is probably not one of the side effects.

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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/07 22:38:51 (permalink)
        Agree with the 'older' thing a lot= For lotsa years bought the 'big 3" Outdoor mags along with fur fish and game. How many times over the years are you gonna read the same stuff over and over?
      If I ever read one more article bout Deer feeding low and bedding high and how to sit on the trail from up and down again think I'll puke. Same for another map of a mountain with how to hunt when the wind is up or down the hillside with a little arrows and pictures of guys and deer all over the  place.
       Yea it was good for a while and informative too - but move on PLEEEEEZE. they just never seem to get past a certain stage.
      These forums are actually a lot more interesting and currant in their style and varied in their subject matter.
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    RE: another dying hunting tradition 2011/09/10 16:46:52 (permalink)
    Although I agree with you about publishing the same old thing,you must remember that not everyone has the experience that we do. When we read these for the first time they were new to us & I am sure that there were first time readers every year that never heard of these tips,just as the same issues get brought up on the boards by people that were not on the boards & think that they have new ideas also.Having said that, I must admit that the next time I read about the"Red Gods" of the hunt or " starting out with a huge breakfast consisting of".....or any references of Saint Alt, I too will be throwing up. sam
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