freshwaterdrumR
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Salmon in erie again?
"We have also found out that the raceway in Kinzua will be open soon and they will be rasing Lake Trout & Chinnok Kings to be stocked in Lake Erie. That facility has been shut down for the past 10 years. It will be a good thing to have that program back up & running as we see it." http://www.eastendangler.net/Fishing-Report.html I just read this from the reports on east end anglers site. Has anyone heard anything about Kings being stocked in erie?
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/10 13:10:17
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I'm not sure EEA has their facts straight. The Fed hatchery in Kinzua raised Lake Trout that were stocked in lake Erie, and a few inland lake in Pennsylvavia. I believe they also raised Atlantics, which were also stocked in inland lakes, but not Erie. Never heard of them raising Kings.
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/10 13:22:02
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ORIGINAL: spoonchucker
I'm not sure EEA has their facts straight.
That is the biggest shawker since Nick Perry pulled the 666 ball
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/10 13:28:01
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I'm not sure EEA has their facts straight.
That is the biggest shawker since Nick Perry pulled the 666 ball
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/10 15:37:27
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Wow that's the first time I saw that "reports" page it makes my brain hurt.
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/10 15:38:26
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I just read this from the reports on east end anglers site. Has anyone heard anything about Kings being stocked in erie? I couldn't find anything mentioned anywhere on the net about salmon, just lake trout and brook trout. Here is a good article about the Allegheny National Fish Hatchery project: http://recovery.doi.gov/press/us-fish-and-wildlife-service/allegheny-national-fish-hatchery/ Another article I found mentioned that they will be raising brook trout to be stocked in the Allegheny National Forest. It also said that non native species from state hatcheries, currently being stocked in the Allegheny National Forest, will be stocked elsewhere. http://www.gameandfishmag.com/2010/10/05/fishing_trout-fishing_pa_aa034304a/
QUOTE: "An agreement was reached last year with the Allegheny National Fish Hatchery, which is operated by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The main purpose of this hatchery, which is at the base of the Kinzua Dam in Warren County, has been raising lake trout for Lake Erie and Lake Ontario. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service policy requires that only native fish may be raised, so all of the trout raised for inland stocking will be brook trout that will be stocked into Allegheny National Forest trout streams. These fish will replace trout from state hatcheries that would normally have been stocked in the national forest, freeing them to be stocked elsewhere. Upgrades planned for the Allegheny National Fish Hatchery might increase quotas to 300,000 brook trout in the future."
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/11 09:10:41
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What's funny about this to me is that they are suggesting the brook trout they raise in a hatchery are "native". I'm pretty sure the strains of brook trout raised in hatcheries are not local strains. A stocked brook trout, to me, isn't much more native than a stocked brown or rainbow. To each his own, I suppose.
My $0.02, fwiw.
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/11 09:40:43
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/11 09:44:58
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heritage strain fish have never really been a concern in PA
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/13 11:20:26
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Well F***! I was hoping to see salmon in Erie again so i didn't have to drive to Orchard or Pulaski to get them
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/13 11:20:55
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Don't have any solid info ............yet. It would be a nice bonus again in Erie! N.Y. still rules on these jumbos!
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/13 12:17:57
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heritage strain fish have never really been a concern in PA The fish hatchery at Kinzua is not run by the state.
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/13 13:28:19
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Erie would not be a good place for king salmon, imo....The streams lack a consistant flow....I think Cleveland creeks could do it.
But, you're only 4-1/2 hours from the salmon river from Erie....Make the drive, it's well worth it.
Yeah, well your opinion is wrong. It would be an excellent place to strip streamers,swim jigs, and retrieve flatfish and watch salmon attack your junk in the deep slow pools. Rather than chucking yarn balls behind a half ounce of lead lining them like the morons at the salmon river.
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/13 15:10:17
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ORIGINAL: SteelSlayer77
heritage strain fish have never really been a concern in PA
The fish hatchery at Kinzua is not run by the state.
Never said it was I was talking in general There is not the awareness/ call for heritage strain fish
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/13 17:47:31
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I was talking in general
There is not the awareness/ call for heritage strain fish
Who cares dude. Even if they did raise heritage strain fish in the raceways, you would still complain that they weren't born in the wild therefore they're still not "native".
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/13 18:09:22
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I would like to see a mix again. Kings, Palomino Trout, and maybe a few Atlantics for some new Fish Erie photo and forum chatter. You never know what Erie Creeks can hold...............even deer roam up and down Elk Creek!
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/13 18:34:58
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ORIGINAL: SteelSlayer77
I was talking in general
There is not the awareness/ call for heritage strain fish
Who cares dude. Even if they did raise heritage strain fish in the raceways, you would still complain that they weren't born in the wild therefore they're still not "native".
you're an idiot heritage strain fish reintroduced to start thriving/ sustaining wild populations of native fish is something that has been successful in other places
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/13 19:11:15
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heritage strain fish reintroduced to start thriving/ sustaining wild populations of native fish is something that has been successful in other places Hey I'm all for it and would love to see it, but there are definitely very limited opportunities where it could work in PA. The unfortunate fact is that probably 80% of our streams contain to much pollution and not enough oxygen to support a self-sustaining native brook trout population though. I think allot of us want to fish that water for stocked pellet heads and are happy that this program is going to open another hatchery and increase the numbers of trout stocked in PA outside of the Allegheny national forest. There are still lots of un-stocked streams here to fish for truly native brookies, if that's what your interested in just stick to them. They are all over the place in some parts of north central and north eastern PA.
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/13 20:15:53
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I just wonder how much worse the crowds would be with 20+ lb kings in the tribs. Regardless if the Kings would stick around the deep area in north east I would love to fish them in the open water.
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/13 22:31:26
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Who said anything about the creeks for salmon, just trolling for them and casting spoons. I'd much rather just do what I do for steelhead 14 pound fluro 2/5 ounce lil cleo in the inlets all around the bay hoook into some 20 pound monsters
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/13 23:54:18
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ORIGINAL: KJH807
ORIGINAL: SteelSlayer77
I was talking in general
There is not the awareness/ call for heritage strain fish
Who cares dude. Even if they did raise heritage strain fish in the raceways, you would still complain that they weren't born in the wild therefore they're still not "native".
you're an idiot
heritage strain fish reintroduced to start thriving/ sustaining wild populations of native fish is something that has been successful in other places
get over it natural reproduction is a thing of the past so get used to put & take ........ I mean sleep in & go for left overs : )
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/14 07:44:39
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saw a coho in an erie stream friday i think steelies are the best call for the erie system...but then i'm partial to stocking more of them and less kings and coho is onterio tribs too kings are fun ...and they are mosnters...but steelies are there more of the year, fight better and LIVE to come in more than one season plus they are "purdy" 
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/14 08:07:04
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Correct me if i'm wrong (and i'm sure somebody will) but didn't the salmon (king's & coho's) stockings of the 70's fail because they migrated over to Canadian waters where they were netted by them......
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/14 13:26:41
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My 2 cents......When I started fishing in Erie in 1982, it was almost all Coho, plus occasional browns, Kings, Palomino steelhead, etc.....The first decade or so of Coho runs were fantastic both in size and numbers of fish when they started in mid-late 70's........My observations (as well as others) was that the pure strain of Coho was accidentally mixed with king salmon (by some dumb hatchery folks) and the resulting hybrids were poor in egg viability and fry survival as well as adult survival......Just look at any pictures you may have of cohos from erie and compare them with fish from Lake Ontario......they arent even close. NY has done a great job with keeping their hatchery genetics pure......IF Pa decided to stock salmon again, they would probably do great as they did in the 70's, UNTIL somebody F-ed up in the hatchery!
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/14 13:37:19
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I always thought the coho's I caught in PA in the 90's were a cross with some king genes mixed in somewhere. Wasn't around in the 80's to see what the PA coho looked like then.Did they ever color up like the cohos of the rest of the world? pa cohos 
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/14 18:55:35
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The cohos in Erie when I started(1996) were about 50/50 as far as color. Some would get pretty, some looked like the one in the picture posted above. I caught a few in 16 Mile as late as 2006 and I will say they were stunning colored fish, with bright pink bled up the sides almost to the top of the back. On the other hand, the size never seemed to be there like the LO cohos though. Almost all I caught in Erie were under 30". Some of the coho in the LO tribs are ridiculous, color and size. The neat thing about coho is they have a knack for finding little off the path places a million miles upstream to do their thing and often times it is successful. There is quite a bit of natural reproduction in the LO tribs and more than most think in PA.
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/15 10:11:09
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The Coho that we caught in the late 70's and into the 80's never seemed to color up like the N.Y. strains do. As a matter of fact in the 80's when the Steelhead were becoming more numerous many fishermen had a hard time telling the two of them them apart. We always looked into the mouth to see the black for Salmon and white for Trout.....................3 Coho on a rope..........early 1980's Coho Fever / Trout Run style..........tossing Cleos !
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/15 10:21:08
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Flasback ..1982 photo a sweet Cherrywood Berkley with a Mitchell 300 = Coho + Steelie..............LOL !
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/15 11:00:02
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ORIGINAL: CAPTAIN HOOK
Flasback ..1982 photo a sweet Cherrywood Berkley with a Mitchell 300 = Coho + Steelie..............LOL !
Ah! You are killing me with memories. Trout Run and cleos and blaze orange KO Wobblers. I still have my 300, but the conolon rod is long gone.
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RE: Salmon in erie again?
2011/11/15 11:01:19
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This is awesome, post more pictures from the 70's - 80's please.
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