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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 12:17:22 (permalink)
Did I miss some thing? Sure Salmon would be great in lake Erie! There just isn't the money available to stock them as there once was? I'm not being vindictive.
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 12:20:59 (permalink)
wats vinDicktive meen/
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 12:23:59 (permalink)
i lik saman duud
i go too berrts an hamar saman
ery hASS jist smal stelheds
neww yRk hASS bigg stelheds
yu shuld go ther
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 12:24:47 (permalink)
woo kares enyway/
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 12:25:54 (permalink)
peese of crAp competer
i need a neww won
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 12:28:57 (permalink)
vindictive
ORIGINAL: youngguru

wats vinDicktive meen/

vin·dic·tive
adj.1. Disposed to seek revenge; revengeful.

2. Marked by or resulting from a desire to hurt; spiteful.
post edited by pghmarty - 2007/09/06 12:30:14
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 12:46:25 (permalink)
i jist gott kiked owt of skool forr beeing vinDicktive duud
 
i kiked thiss kidds****beecawse hee tawlked too saBreena
wen i gett bak
i wil kik itt agen
i am vinndicktive
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 12:49:15 (permalink)
Good use of the word.

Now put a star on your forehead.

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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 12:58:45 (permalink)
wats re tardead meen/

I have the right to remain silent.....I just don't have the ability
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 13:05:59 (permalink)
that's a easy won, somebody just re tarded the rd. in front of my house.
What happend to Mike G & Smalliekiller/? Worn out, on vacation or just plain gave up/?
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 13:26:59 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: STEALYS4ME

I would personally give donate 25 dollars a yr out of my pocket as well as many other anglers i bet would do to support some type of stocking again  im all for it.....

 
Maybe the PA Fish Commision could add $5 or $10, to the price of the Erie stamp, so cohos and browns could be stocked.

changes in latitudes, changes in attitudes....nothing remains quite the same



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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 13:33:37 (permalink)
Greg,
 
The Erie stamp was created by a legislative act. Revenues can NOT be used for stocking. The PF&BC does not have the authority to change the fees, or how the monies can be used.

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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 13:56:54 (permalink)
Then why do they have the stamp???  Out of all the states on the south shore, PA has the least amount of shoreline and is THE most expensive to fish.  What is the Lake Erie stamp for then?  Free launches at Walnut and Northeast?  I think I'd rather go to the $5 launch fee system at Conneaut.  I always buy a PA combo for I believe $15, and how many other hundreds if not thousands of anglers do as well.  Bureaucracy at work.  Too much $$$ and not enough brains or sense of responsibility to make it work effectively.  No wonder a lot of us head to Ohio to fish most of the year.
 
 
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 13:58:35 (permalink)
If the non-native species act cut off money for stocking salmon in Lake Erie then steelhead would have been pulled also since they are just as much an exotic as salmon are.  As mentioned above, Erie just doesn't have the habitat.  It is essentially a warm water lake, marginally cold water due to the fact that there is a small deep area off Barcelona/Dunkirk that can support lake trout. Other than that it is a walleye lake, and fortunately steelhead can survive in a wider range of thermal habitats than salmon can.
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 14:02:38 (permalink)
Warning,
 
The stamp money is for the acquisition, and improvement of access. Several properties have either been outright purchased, or entered into a permanent easement program through the use of stamp monies as well as other funds.

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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 14:34:49 (permalink)
Gentlemen,
     Wow, I am so lucky!  Youngbooboo thinks I am rich.  Will somebody please tell me how a disabled vet who has to give half his retirement money to an ex wife can possibly be rich?  The only real riches I have are the friends I have who have stood by me during my rough times over he last few years.

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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 14:49:35 (permalink)
Weren't there consistant runs of salmon in the 70's and 80's?? i wasnt alive then so i wouldnt know but if this is true, it is obvious that our lake can support them even if it is not as ideal as ontario, superio, michigan, or huron....
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 17:03:12 (permalink)
just wondering...how many browns do you guys see each time your up....i have never saw more then 2 on a trip.
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 18:16:00 (permalink)
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If they cut off funding for all non native species act. How are they sotcking steelhead because steelhead are far from a native specie. Why dont the stock more palamenos like they use to or more browns. any of these would add more of a variety. I also personally know coho yokel and hes schooled to be a fisherie biologist. Ive fished with him as well I know hes a good fisherman to boot.  
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 18:31:33 (permalink)
I think he was referring to federal funding. The Steelhead program is funded by the state.

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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 18:59:34 (permalink)
Lots of interesting insight to fishery.  Who wouldn't want to catch and experience the different fights of species of fish?  From my perspectice, the problem is that you can't play fish out in many areas, because of over crowding.  Also, the crowds are what is needed to keep the fishery alive.  I hope i"m wrong.            

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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 19:17:57 (permalink)
Yes it would be nice to have a variety. For that matter ( and I'm just playing Pappy ) I'd like to see some Snook, maybe Redfish, or Bonefish. We just have to accept that our desires, are not always practicle, or possible. The long and short of it is, that over the course of time the PF&BC has found that Kings do not thrive, and Cohos do not return at a sufficient rate. I am not sure about the Browns, but if I remember right they have to be raised to a later stage that makes them more costly.

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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 19:39:11 (permalink)
Never happen again, Coho were ended because of very poor returns of healthy fish. The last year the PAF&BC propagated them they got only a small number of healthy fish. The next year none.
post edited by Rainbow1 - 2007/09/06 19:40:16
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/06 20:49:46 (permalink)
Spoonchucker's last post is right on the money. I would LOVE to have more browns and salmon, but not everything is possible or feasible.
 
I will say this though, there is STILL enough of the other species around that they can be caught, and because of this it makes them that much more of a trophy, rather than being like the steelhead where everyone catches as many as they want.
 
In the last few years, I have landed quite a few browns, some in the 9-10# class, and a few coho on the smallish side. Remember this too, there is a VERY SMALL population of naturally reproducing coho and kings in Lake Erie due to a certain rivers cold tributaries.
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/07 14:51:34 (permalink)
Spoon,
     While we're at it could we add Tarpon to the list?  The Pantagonia or New Zeland Breed of Browns would be nice too.  They grow as big/bigger than a steelhead, and they are better eating.  Did I mention Lobster?  Yeah gotta have lobster.  Ocean run Atlantics would be good too... why I'm sure with the right amount of genetic engineering we could get them all to pass through the locks and back to the tribs.
post edited by indsguiz - 2007/09/07 18:34:12

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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/07 15:05:42 (permalink)
indsguiz, good reply, this site is killing me, have a great day.
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/09 19:04:44 (permalink)
PFBC is strapped for CASH. Remember the 30% cut  this year in stocking.
Tionesta hatchery no longer rearing steelhead. Millions needed in repairs.
Take it to the bank, we will never see salmon again.
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/10 12:51:30 (permalink)
If we, as a state could get our head out of our A@# and combine fish and boat w/ Game commish like every other state I have lived in, maybe funding wouldn't be such a problem.  How can't they have money?  80 is going to be a turnpike, they raised our income tax 2 yrs. ago, they raised the sin tax on liquor and cigarettes again, the "alternative energy tax" on your electric bill and all that gambling money?  I don't want to ever hear Harrisburg say that they "don't have the funds" anymore.  It's more like WE don't have the funds anymore.   
 
Sorry for the rant
post edited by Storm Warning 2 - 2007/09/10 12:54:47
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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/10 14:28:45 (permalink)
    First of all, if you had paid attention to the discussion on combining the two agencies a couple years ago, and read the reports, and studies at the time. You would have seen that the costs involved, exceeded the savings, and that several programs would be lost in the process. Secondly, income, cigarette, or highway taxes/fees, have abasolutely NO bearing on PF&BC funding.  The PF&BC is funded through LICENSE sales, and recieves NO funding from general revenues. This gives them a greater level of independence, and autonomy, and makes them less succeptible to political whimsy.
 
Now to Hivue's post,
 
The reduction in TROUT stocking numbers, has nothing to with the Steelhead program, the numbers of Steelhead remain basicly unchanged. It also had nothing to do with funding, but rather a change of approach ( less, but bigger fish ) the expenditures remained the same if not increased. As for Steelhead no longer being raised in Tionesta. Again, nothing to do with funding, but rather a precautionary measure do to the threat of VHS disease.

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RE: Bring back salmon to Pa 2007/09/10 14:46:22 (permalink)
If the return rates for PA of chins and ho's are correct, it'd only make sense to stop stocking salmon.  Let's face it, the program only exists because of money.  How much sense does it make to continue stocking a fish that only 1-2 of 100 make it back? ?

On the other hand, it's been reported that manistee fish return around 40% in Michigan.  While PA waters aren't MI waters, that would ecomonically make sense.  I would suspect if PA was to stock manistee, the return rate would closely parallel Ohio's return, whatever that may be. 

While I'd like to see some diversity, I'd also like to see less fall fish return and a better spring return.  It'd even out the crowds a bit as well, which can only be a good thing from all aspects for PA.
 
Edit:  Ohio's fish return around 40% at least according to the article below.  Pretty impressive.
 
http://www.ohiosteelheaders.com/Articles_stock_fall_run_trout.htm
 
post edited by SilverKype - 2007/09/10 14:52:55
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