2024/08/20 22:04:10
DeadGator401
snagr
DeadGator401

What from the DNC this week do you think they'll tell you to be mad about?





Is Andy Beshear's insinuation that he hopes JD Vance's wife or daughter gets violated legit or nah?  


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI4Ka46TX-E
Do you mean that?

Pot meet Kettle. I don't think it was part of the actual convention, but let's let it slide. Sure it counts. 30 points to Gryffindor. 

Suggesting someone go through exactly what they said others should go through is offensive. Oh the outrage!


2024/08/21 07:32:57
Porktown
MyWar
Is my girlfriend an enviro-nazi because she places a high value on French Creek because it supports a uniquely biodiverse habitat for animals, wild flowers and birds (honestly she doesn't care that much about fishing), but I’m not because I value it more as a fishery?


If she sued the government over and over to shut down all human use of French Creek or targeted fishing or boating to ensure the biodiversity not be disrupted by either, then yes. Especially if she then supported something else that completely disrupts the biodiversity of another area.

Do a bit of research on any of the items that I noted. Look at what organizations support each side. Local sportsmen clubs on one side and national/international “environmental” groups on the other. Most of these national groups have absolutely no ties to the areas that they are trying to eliminate “human disruption”, but are just fine supporting disruption if a project benefits their “values”.

I don’t have that $500k boat and don’t even pay for the charter boats that go out far enough to be affected by these speed limit regulations. The date range of these restrictions would be during the winter, which I’d never plan to ever be on a boat hitting these restrictions. But I do know that whale & small craft incidents are extremely rare, seeing multiple studies and reports. This doesn’t affect me, so the value thing doesn’t apply. Just an example of a far left organization that has deep financial ties to the Democratic Party is assaulting the sportsmen for very little reason. To note, boats that are working on the wind farms are exempt to this restriction. To further the hypocrisy point.

I don’t fish “The Point” in Buxton, where I am referencing about the birds. I have, but the hike is too far and I don’t want to get an ORV pass for 1-2 times driving, when I usually am easy walking distance of other spots or spots to drive that don’t need ORV. I have fished other areas where the birds are protected, that leaves plenty of human access. So, again, not something that I personally “value”. Just noting the hypocrisy of it and if it can fly there, where will it stop? Will they shut down all water for human recreational use, since it is no value to them? Any time we use, there is some sort of biodiversity that someone “values” is at risk. Should we shut down all boating and fishing?

The commercial fishing drag nets that do a ridiculous amount of environmental damage having precedence over recreational fishermen on harvesting flounder just makes no environmental sense. But it is the local/state GOP supporting the recreational sportsmen and the local/state Dems supporting the commercial side. This actually surprised me.

The roads/bridges, this is everywhere. There is the EPA and other responsible agencies that do environmental studies. It is not these agencies that I am referring to when these projects are put on decades long hold. I am all for taking whatever environmental precautions the EPA, NRCS or other conservation agencies recommend. I am completely against the GOP of always looking to curtail this. It is the same environmental groups that sue, tie things up in court, hoping they can stop the projects from funds expiring or inflation/other causing the project to be over the top level budget. Sort of the same tactic MAGA man uses. But repulsive when he does it, not when they do? Should we eliminate all roads, cars and anything that disrupts biodiversity, since some value it more than transportation.

To try to say the Dems have the answers on the environment is just wrong. Is it better than completely destroying the Earth and denying science, sure. But overreach is just as bad. I refuse to follow either party blindly. I wish more people like myself existed and could eliminate this “us vs. them” BS.
2024/08/21 15:48:46
psu_fish
Unlike all of yinz, I actually work in Franklin and live close to Franklin....can assure you, this is not a new well or something an evil Republican did. But carry on. 
2024/08/21 16:55:35
DeadGator401
snagr
DeadGator401

What from the DNC this week do you think they'll tell you to be mad about?





Is Andy Beshear's insinuation that he hopes JD Vance's wife or daughter gets violated legit or nah?  



Oh by the way Trump posted a video around the same time created by AI (because he's too old to know what it is) singing about how Harris got to where she is.
https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1825615003476730190

So one is someone asking if someone else should go through what they suggested for others (Vance). The other is a near 80 year old sharing AI created videos about a Presidential Candidate in a blatant sexual manner. 

Hmm. 


2024/08/23 07:26:40
Porktown
2024/08/23 12:43:36
MyWar
Porktown


Do a bit of research on any of the items that I noted. Look at what organizations support each side. Local sportsmen clubs on one side and national/international “environmental” groups on the other. Most of these national groups have absolutely no ties to the areas that they are trying to eliminate “human disruption”, but are just fine supporting disruption if a project benefits their “values”.

I don’t have that $500k boat and don’t even pay for the charter boats that go out far enough to be affected by these speed limit regulations. The date range of these restrictions would be during the winter, which I’d never plan to ever be on a boat hitting these restrictions. But I do know that whale & small craft incidents are extremely rare, seeing multiple studies and reports. This doesn’t affect me, so the value thing doesn’t apply. Just an example of a far left organization that has deep financial ties to the Democratic Party is assaulting the sportsmen for very little reason. To note, boats that are working on the wind farms are exempt to this restriction. To further the hypocrisy point.




I dont have time to read up on all the stuff you listed, so I picked this to start with. I presume you are talking about the speed restrictions for right whale breeding territory, right?
 
So first of all I couldnt find anything about wind farm vessels being exempt from these speed restrictions, although this article seemed to provide a relatively unbiased take on wind farm construction vs protection of right whales during breeding ground. The Feds are pushing the wind farm developers to go as far as to monitor the impacts of underwater noise during constructions which could affect whales' ability to use sonar, and at least one wind farm developer cited in the article (Vineyard Wind) "agreed to boat-speed limits, a strict time frame for pile driving (it only happens when right whales’ main migration through the area is over), and the presence of marine observers, who search for right whales and stop construction if even one is in the area." So if you found info that suggests wind farm development is somehow exempt from anything then I would ask you to share it. Generally speaking, wind energy has been the target of all kinds of right wing attacks because fossil fuel interests are heavily invested in the republican party. I would take ANYTHING reported second hand about wind energy with a grain of salt, and make sure that info is fact checked.
 
The main threats with right whales are collisions with boats and entanglements in nets from commercial fishing. The NOAA has some data here. The main cause of death is boats. The main cause of injury (not necessarily resulting in death) is entanglements in nets. No you can say that vessel strikes are "rare" however there are only about 360 right whales left, and if 15 of them have been killed by boats in the last 8 years, thats just over 4% of the entire population, which is not an insignificant number considering how dangerously small the population already is. To put that into perspective, the population of pittsburgh is about 300,000 people. If 12,000 (or roughly 4% of the population) people in the Pittsburgh area were killed by collisions with garbage trucks in the last 8 years, would you say that collisions with garbage trucks were "rare"? As far whatever studies or reports you saw that indicate the vessel strikes are "rare" I would be happy to take a look at them, but my initial thought here is "rare" can be a subjective term in this context, and the issue here is the actual number of dead whales, not how often they occur.
 
I'm also not sure which "far left organization with deep ties to the democratic party" is behind this. As far as I can tell there is no monied interest in preventing the extinction of a certain species. Conservation groups dont lobby congress because their ability to make money is threatened, their motives are pretty clear. But there is alot of money in the commercial fishing and sport fishing industries, and those industries have deep "financial ties" to elected officials as well.
 
Now if somebody wants to make an argument that the commercial fishing industry is not being held to the same level of accountability as the sport fishing industry, then I might be inclined to agree. Instead of saying "what about wind farms" maybe the charters should be saying "what about the commercial fisherman". And the reason for that difference is pretty obvious - the commercial fishing industry has MUCH deeper pockets, therefore much more influence.
 
But if this example is supposed to illustrate that conservation efforts are threatening a sport fishing industry, so there is a simple direct clash between conservation and sportsmen. Ok, I get that. But I still think that they way you portrayed the conservation efforts is inaccurate, and what the debate really comes down to one group of people valuing one thing and another group valuing something else. 
 
And something else to think about - If a big oil company or some commercial fishing operation came along and did something that wiped out a population of the sport fish along a portion of the atlantic coast, how fast do you think these same charters who are fighting these speed restrictions would turn into "enviro-nazis"?
 
There are huge volumes of water and vast areas of land in this country that support sport fishing and hunting opportunities, and these places only exist because conservationists protected them in the first place. 
 
 
 
2024/08/23 12:58:54
MyWar
psu_fish
Unlike all of yinz, I actually work in Franklin and live close to Franklin....can assure you, this is not a new well or something an evil Republican did. But carry on. 



I really cant understand if people say stuff like this because they really dont get it, or if they are being deliberately obtuse. 
 
Why does it matter whether this one is new? And why does it matter if I live in Franklin?
 
When you have gas drilling, and oil wells, and mines everywhere, this is what happens. we are still having accidents and leaks from the stuff that has been sitting here for the last 100+ years, and republicans just want to keep building more and more. Do you not see the connection between "more oil wells" -> "more oil well leaks"? Or do you think the stuff they make now will just somehow last forever and never leak?   
 
Like seriously, how do you not look at this think "hmm, maybe we should stop using oil", or look at the thousands of miles of dead, orange creeks in PA and think "hmm, maybe we should stop using coal". 
2024/08/23 14:25:01
psu_fish
MyWar
psu_fish
Unlike all of yinz, I actually work in Franklin and live close to Franklin....can assure you, this is not a new well or something an evil Republican did. But carry on. 



I really cant understand if people say stuff like this because they really dont get it, or if they are being deliberately obtuse. 
 
Why does it matter whether this one is new? And why does it matter if I live in Franklin?
 
When you have gas drilling, and oil wells, and mines everywhere, this is what happens. we are still having accidents and leaks from the stuff that has been sitting here for the last 100+ years, and republicans just want to keep building more and more. Do you not see the connection between "more oil wells" -> "more oil well leaks"? Or do you think the stuff they make now will just somehow last forever and never leak?   
 
Like seriously, how do you not look at this think "hmm, maybe we should stop using oil", or look at the thousands of miles of dead, orange creeks in PA and think "hmm, maybe we should stop using coal". 




You really are an ****clown. The very kayak you float down the river in, is made possible due to "big oil"
 
Ever look at a lithium mine or cobalt mine and think gee this is great for the environment? I m not even going to waste the bandwidth with you anymore. You wanna make EV's remotely possible, start allowing new nuclear reactors to be built...but its a scary word to the libs. Nuclear energy is cleaner and the only feasible solution. 
2024/08/23 15:50:26
ICE NUT
No more oil and coal well i guess we will all freeze to death.Don't worry Comrade Kamoola and Tampon Timmy will solve the problem
2024/08/23 17:23:20
Porktown
The overwhelming majority of whale strikes are from large vessels either commercial or military size with vessels that don’t have the cockpits as close to the water to see whales. I didn’t notice any of that noted in the links you provided. I.e. it is pretty hard to not see a surfacing whale in a 35’ boat, which obviously don’t want to run into one. Which also happen to be much more maneuverable to avoid. The proposed bans are on vessels well under the size that would ever hit a whale. Which are the sizes primarily used by sportsmen in the area.

The proposals give some sort of nonenforceable clause to the windmill construction ships, well big enough with lower maneuverability to avoid whales.

Check out stripers online. There are hundreds of boat captains on there that would be able to speak a bit more firsthand, sportsmen wise about it.

Don’t get me wrong, windmill MAGA nuttiness is up there with their other conspiracy theories. But I did read this from the proposal that someone posted, from a legit either .gov or state government link. Many of the far left protest groups would do anything to stop fishing and hunting or just don’t care if their causes trample on the rights of sportsmen. The Dem party seems just fine giving them a voice. Sportsmen in many parts of the country have very good reason to not follow along with them Dem party on environmental issues. Not that GOP cutting the EPA helps them in any way. Again, not an either/or IMO, there is a better way than both.

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