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So this tackle shop or any shop for that matter was wrong to attempt to satisfy a land owner who has "amazing fishing holes" and fishermen by attempting a lease agreement? Whether it was from the landowner himself or a broker????
 
I'm sorry I'm confused? Id think that everyone would be happy to know they could go into a shop and pay a reasonable fee to fish in the best holes around... It would be like Elk hunting out west! You pay a guide to get you to the best places... They pay land owners for their land!

Not wrong at all to attempt to satisfy a landowner. 
 
But a private business or enterprise shouldn't cry and boo hoo about it when the risks of financially capitalizing on a public resource (steelhead) comes back to bite them in the butt in the way of boycotts and public outcry. 
 
If you wanna make money off of an unsuspecting public, you better be prepared to have a really good fall back business plan when your intentions p1$$ off a small but vocal and informed segment of that public that lets the masses know what's going on and they decide they don't want your product anymore. 
 
"One of the best holes around?"  Really? 
 
"reasonable fee"  $80?  Really? 
 
 
 

ladyoflakeerie
.......Make it right people....quit crucifying the owner...

You can try to justify exploiting a resource funded by all fisherman for the benefit of a few individuals all you like, but the fact remains that your shop (or you won't know's) is toast. 

Who said $80???? All I'm saying is if I wanted prime fishing/hunting? Then I'd have no problem paying the land owner/broker/whomever.... Where I come from if you want to use someones land there's always a trade off... Money? Equipment? Help? It's not cheap nor easy to own and care for land.
 
As I understand the situation it's never been public. This man or his family have owned the land for years. The public took it upon themselves to hop fences, cross land, jump streams to get to these holes with no permission. Sometimes there's a breaking point. I can only imagine the trash that's left behind, the line that gets caught up in trees and whatever else. If you're disrespectful enough to enter onto someones property with no permission I'd make a bet you could care less about the mess you leave. Look at walnut or any of the other accesses. What about the fact that this man can't enjoy his land because there are random people all over it. He can't go camping near the creek, his kids can't play in it (if he has any), his animals cant run free. All i know is it seems quite easy to many to just walk onto a place that's not theirs and call it "unfair" when someone says "hey nope, sorry it's mine and I'm taking it back" Props to this man and whomever else who stands up for theirs!!! My property is posted and if you step foot on it you'll be prosecuted to the fullest of the law. You wanna have rights to it then come talk to me and we'll see what happens

That is bad news. We wont be stopping at Trout Run B&t!

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ladyoflakeerie
Really.......this is very disturbing to me on so many levels....I'm sure some of you on this very forum are guides...and I am sure that before you take your "clients" out for a day on the creeks you know exactly which part of the creek has been "leased" if you will, from the PFBC through their public access fishing program.....ok....with that said, have you ever considered that the clients that you are guiding, which pay you for your service (by the way some may interpret this as profiting from the fish placed in our streams that are paid for by the licenses that WE purchase and the trout salmon/lake erie permit)...that if you decide to take this client to privately owned land, have you ever once considered contacting the owner of the land to ask for permission to fish there...with your client who is paying you for your time and know how???? Maybe you instead sent the landowner a thank you note or a fruit basket...well did you???? What you are all failing to recognize with your grandiose ideas of the wrongs that have been bestowed upon you is this....."its a free country, where citizens are able to own and manage their land any way they see fit"...even if it rubs you the wrong way....and no they shouldn't have to move somewhere else to live just because they are tired of people profiting from the use of their land with no consideration to them at all?? Most of us in the area that you are referring to on Elk Creek were born and raised there...we have raised our own kids there....we have taught them to appreciate the true beauty of the land and water and to never take it for granted....there are many reasons why one would love to live and enjoy this property.....so if the land owner wants to post this property for any reason....even if the landowner wants to have a little extra money to off set the cost of the property taxes so what.......Make it right people....quit crucifying the owner...

Only one person here crucified a landowner, and was told they were being ridiculous by several.
 
Everyone also is free to patronize whichever fishing tackle shops they see fit.  And if one is doing something they don't like, they are free to spend their money elsewhere.

for one restricting water for profit
 
So this tackle shop or any shop for that matter was wrong to attempt to satisfy a land owner who has "amazing fishing holes" and fishermen by attempting a lease agreement? Whether it was from the landowner himself or a broker????
 
I'm sorry I'm confused? Id think that everyone would be happy to know they could go into a shop and pay a reasonable fee to fish in the best holes around... It would be like Elk hunting out west! You pay a guide to get you to the best places... They pay land owners for their land!

SO LET ME GET THIS RIGHT,YOU WONT KNOW,,,,u feel its ok for a landowner,broker ,bait shop guide to charge a fee for profit off of fish that is rightfully paid for by all anglers who buy license and erie permit,and restricted from fishing for them on same body of water,,,u are wrong,,, as for landowner,charge a parking or usage fee,for public access,this would eliminate most litter problems,but would also keep waterways open for fishing,as for guides, most i kno dont need private water to do their job,they are that good,,,, as for bait shops,well like mentioned above,its my right to honor who i like with my business,poor richards has my vote,,, with this said,the PFBC NEEDS TO SEE WERE THEY ARE GOIN ON THIS,,,be ashame to see a great fisherie of this caliber to disapear,a big economic blow to erie,,maybe even higher property tax on landowners because of this blowout

It's only going to hurt the resource if this happens more and more.
 
 

Double the price of the Trib stamps so the PFBC can offer better easement rates..
 
Have no problem with a landowner doing what he wants on his own land... His land he pays for it.
Using that same logic we as fishermen pay for those fish and they should not be exploited by private leases for profit.
 
How many miles of Elk is posted now ??? Anybody?? Bueller, Bueller ??
8.5 miles......

What you two are being so willfully ignorant of is the fact that nobody here is faulting the landowners for posting the land, so stop trying to make ti about that.  
 
Even on this very thread, when there was only talk of the posting, the tone was much more, "well that's unfortunate, but it's to be respected".  It wasn't until the talk that after the shutdown, that a shop had turned it into their private club that folks cried foul.
 
In my opinion, that sort of profiteering is just as underhanded as others have made it out to be.  That said, you two are correct that it isn't illegal and that if that's how the owner, shop, and any other party involved want to work it, that's their prerogative.
 
As has already been said as well, though (which you've been happy to ignore), it's also the prerogative of the public to form their own opinions and reactions to the news, and respond as they see fit within the law.  A boycott and spreading of the information certainly falls within those limits, and it's going to happen.  Combined with the fact that the Erie fishing customer base is so small (compared to a nationwide chain or corporation), and that the continued success of the small shops in the area depend so heavily on their public image within that small demographic, this move, as of now, seems like a terrible business decision, in effect, becoming the enemy of the casual fishermen that make up their customer base, then expecting those same people to continue to patronize their shop when there are plenty of other, equally viable options available who aren't profiting off of the fish they paid for but now the shop is effectively holding for ransom.
 
To be sure, I'll not darken the door of this shop, and will share the reasons for that with any angler that cares to know why.
 
True, it's the shop's call, but in the words of the great Jeffrey Lebowski, "You're not wrong...you're just an @$$hole."

Esox_Hunter

ladyoflakeerie
.......Make it right people....quit crucifying the owner...

You can try to justify exploiting a resource funded by all fisherman for the benefit of a few individuals all you like, but the fact remains that your shop (or you won't know's) is toast. 

 
 
Just for the record. I have nothing to do with anyone. Just a by stander to a conversation today and was irritated so I checked this site out. Added a username so that I could comment. I'm sorry I didn't fill out my info. It's there now. As a land owner, going up on a farm, I was sympathetic to this land owner. On our farm its not fish its deer, small game, turkey, whatever the season may be. Sometimes instead of being quick to jump the gate about the land owner and him making a "profit" (which is highly unlikely) ya'll need to step back and see the big picture. These may be amazing fishing holes ( i have no idea, i don't even know how to get to Elk Creek) but they're on someones private property. yes, in the past he's been okay with people just entering and taking advantage. Well maybe this year he's had enough. Enough garbage, enough noise, enough not being able to utilize his land because of people who don't respect him enough to even clean up after their selves. So instead of being all fired up about the situation (which I know I was) lets sit back and see if there's not a reasonable solution to fit everyone's needs.