Dude, you are seriously a dork.

Just gotta say after reading all this....
I do own 36 ac of land and if it had a steelhead stream going thru it ,it would be my own private spot or open to public no pay to play.
I am more disappointed in PFBC efforts or lack of than upset at land/store owners.
CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME HOW MUCH PFBC BRINGS IN ANNUALLY FOR ERIE STAMP AND WHATS BEING DONE WITH IT?
I really thought this was a good approach to improve fishery and am willing to pay every year but it doesn't seem to add up.
 

Erie is not worth it because there aren't enough open areas to fish.  Obviously, it's getting worse.  If licensing money drops too far, you'll see the state legislature consider a Montana-like law.  The Salmon River is a 15 mile long fishery and during the busiest weeks, it's hard to find open water.  There's just too many fishermen!

workcanwait....
 
I am more disappointed in PFBC efforts or lack of than upset at land/store owners.
CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME HOW MUCH PFBC BRINGS IN ANNUALLY FOR ERIE STAMP AND WHATS BEING DONE WITH IT?
I really thought this was a good approach to improve fishery and am willing to pay every year but it doesn't seem to add up.
 

 
no clue what they rake in , but doubt they could compete with private intere$t$
 
  over 10 years ago I made the comment that everybody gets something out of the fishery 'cept the land owner .
the anglers get bazzilons  of big fish in easy to walk/fish  small creeks
the local biz owners get tons of ca$h from  the anglers
the land owner gets hordes of monketbutts day in and day out from before daylight to after dark for 8-9 months every year.
What a great deal for them, eh?
 
 
..L.T.A.

genieman77
 

We do fish on water that is private, 
 We are also there at the invitation of the land owner, not as a part of a lease agreement.

 
 
 
fo-reel??
you mean the landowner came into your shop and ASKED you to put anglers on his stretch of posted land??
if so.... i reckon Trout Run B&T could say the say same ..since they were "invited" by the lessee
 
I'm also curious if part of your marketing mentions guiding on "no crowds" private sections??
 
forgive me if I'm [b****/b]uming more than i should, but your stance  seems a mite tad disingenuous to me
 
 
..L.T.A.

Changed up from old handle so there would be no confusion here.  Simple answer is yes.  Regular customer who we became friends with asked if we would like to fish on his property.  Very nice of him, and we are very appreciative.  You can go to our website and look at the listing for guide services.  We don't boast of private water.  In fact, it isn't exclusive to us.  There are frequently other people on the water.  Sorry if it came off as disingenuous, but the very reason I mentioned the fact we were on this type of water is because I was trying to be open and honest in the first place.  Apparently a swing and a miss.  Tight lines and happy fishing.
Steve B

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fishrmn
Dude, you are seriously a dork.

What, no Dorkfish? LOL! [Very early days of Bill Engvall for those that don't know].

All of W_D's post.

 
Dude, since you know so much that we don't (according to you), enlighten us.
 
Is there anything you know that changes that fact that a shop is directly financially benefiting by exploiting a situation where fishermen have lost access to fish that they can now charge for access to them?  Prove it wrong if you can. 
 
I don't hire other guides either, and if they're operating using the same tactics, I wouldn't support them at all either.
 
As far as your last paragraph, either lay off the meds or get back on them.  If you know dirt, spill it or shut up about it.  Funny how in one paragraph you refer to it as 'picking on them', as if they're the little guy, then in the next, you're talking 'exorbitant amounts of money'.  Which is it?  Either our opinions and business makes a difference or it doesnt.
 
Also, it is completely impossible to 'over harvest' slimers.  Get a grip.
 
Unless you're going to lay down some facts, stuff the rhetoric.

workcanwait....
"Maybe we can construct an artificial barrier at rt 5 preventing upstream passage of the artificial tax paid for fish so they cannot be privatized by someone seeking to generate income from our artificial fishery." I think this was the dumbest reply.Yeah cut off he flow of fish to all the water above tubes that is still accessible.BRILLANT!!! 

Obviously (or maybe not quite so obvious to YOU) it was meant as a joke. What we should really do is block the mouths of all tributaries and keep the fish in the lake to reduce snagging.

workcanwait....
Just gotta say after reading all this....
I do own 36 ac of land and if it had a steelhead stream going thru it ,it would be my own private spot or open to public no pay to play.
I am more disappointed in PFBC efforts or lack of than upset at land/store owners.
CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME HOW MUCH PFBC BRINGS IN ANNUALLY FOR ERIE STAMP AND WHATS BEING DONE WITH IT?
I really thought this was a good approach to improve fishery and am willing to pay every year but it doesn't seem to add up.
 

  sounds like you fish but do not belong to any clubs.  Commissioner Ed Mascharka has made presentations to the SONS last spring also Wednesday evening at the PA Steelhead Association meeting Wednesday evening. questions about where the monies go were answered after each presentation.
  PFBC is always looking for more property easements but this particular case sounds like spite/payback by the property owner.  he could have been disgusted by litter & destruction of his property and the trespassing fine convinced him to post the property. 
  the numbers you mentioned regarding the Lake Erie stamp are available on the PFBC website or you could join a local fishing organization and find out the exact amount of monies that have been collected and spent.
  a little goodwill of picking up litter, asking permission to park on private property, and policing other who are breaking the law (camera phones for evidence) would go a long way in terms of keeping the streams open.  in this case, it appears we will never have the chance to see if it would have worked.