i see what you mean. it's why i don't post topics on here anymore, just share when i can, maybe check ice conditions. was trying to trade the maps i have to try and score a woodcock map. only ones i have seen either show gps coord. of some cribs, or a hand drawn map. nothing with depth bands. finally scored a kinzua map. going to scan it on a wide format. that'll take one hell of a tip for me to send, i paid cash for it. i also use this forum to save myself driving to every lake on earth to find safe ice. without this forum, more guys would chance it because they came all that way. safety in numbers man....