Hello! I recently moved to Zelienople from up north and am looking to target some species like gar that I didn't have back home. I spent some time fishing at the New Brighton Park, Dashields, and Montgomery in the past week and with little success.

Does anybody have any tips for locating gar? I have been told that you can usually see them swimming in slack water that hold baitfish but I haven't seen anything despite the large amount of walking and driving that I have done along the beaver/ohio.

I plan on fishing for sauger the same way that I would for walleye but if anybody has any tips I would greatly appreciate it. Also my home lakes are Shenango/Pymatuming so if anybody has any questions about those I would be happy to help. Thanks!

I've seen gar near the shores on the lower allegheny at night looking into the water with a head light. I've caught a few, but they're very tricky to hook. There shape and hardness of their mouth makes it difficult.

I've seen quite a few gar in Mon, upriver of the Charleroi Lock.
 
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For the sauger, being that you know how to catch walleye, you will catch your first and second maybe 10 and think it is cool, then be annoyed by them... They are basically the panfish of the rivers. I like catching panfish, so no disrespect to fish that bite, but you will figure them out in about 2-3 weeks. Depending on flow, 1/16-1/4 oz jig head with curly tail, paddle tail or V tail plastic in white or chartreuse or whatever color seems to be the trick will often catch you a ton. Morning or evening ups your odds now, but in a few weeks won’t matter. If you are within a mile of a dam, they will be there. Or mouth of creek. Flathead minnows will work too. But for most, they are the fish that steals your bait when fishing for eyes.

For the gar, can’t say that I have targeted them ever. I have caught. They are hard to hook. When around they are fun/frustrating. They hit like piranha if something is close, but hooking and getting to you is like 1:20. I have heard of guys that do target, something to tangle their teeth helps land them, I personally have never done it. I have caught them with a lot of luck with plain hooks, using a wood bobber and shiner. So pretty sure they stay higher than sauger/walleye. If I were looking to catch one, I’d fish below a dam and figure out some sort of mesh/frizzy cloth contraption right next to my hook, tied on or stays near, with shiner, and maybe 18” of line to a wooden “launcher” bobber. Cast that into the wash of the river dam outflow, fan cast around until you find where the gar are hanging out. You can have a blast if you figure it out. They school up and attack your stuff. Nonstop action for a while if you find them. But can be 20 bites and have maybe 3-4 hooked for 10-20 seconds, maybe get lucky to get your hook wrapped around its snout. I doubt that very many landed gar are actually stuck in the top or bottom jaw. Google techniques and I am sure will give you better odds.

I saw a guy once who wrapped white yarn around his hook first. When the gar hit the bait their teeth get tangled in the yarn and he was catching quite a few. Like Pork Saïd about the Sauger, if you’re Walleye fishing on the rivers the Saugers will come.

Haven’t fished the rivers for decades now, but back the walleye had to be 15 inches and sauger had to be 12 inches to be legal (we were bass fishing, so not targeting either, but a chance tasty meal is a chance tasty meal).

The question was often asked how one could distinguish between a walleye and a sauger. The answer most often given was — if it’s 14.5 inches, it’s a sauger.

Easiest way to tell difference between walleye and sauger is if the top fin on the back has spots then its a sauger.