2019/10/20 19:42:01
hot tuna
Good thing I'm jack the ripper for our annual Halloween party with our favorite GD band next weekend. Seems lots daggers floating.
I do barely fly fish, actually I don't even consider it as such anymore if I hold a swatter in my hand. Very few do on that river except the red light district and the few working around them. I considered myself a fisherman and steward of the outdoors no matter how ethically I pursue my quary. I enjoy the company of such like minded people.
What fathams me is some will pay more to fish than lay their heads to rest. Fishing there is 1/3 of the equation.
People don't hold higher regards to the environment because they pay more, someone is picking up their trash or kicking them out.
Shouldn't that just become normal.
Any beach,lake, river, stream hiking trail I go to there is trash.
2019/10/20 20:14:19
hot tuna
The schoolhouse south shore frog water is productive in fall and spring or higher flows. During normal winter and 335 -500 flows, it collects ice flows and makes shelf ice. At least that's my experience and at last report 2 years ago this January and February.
The head will be good if you get there before o'dark thirty, from south. The middle/ pool can remain iced all day from the south
The tail is dicey where the islands split. Flow gathers on the south along with difficult angling. No clue as to what the excavator work has done. Hopefully for a lodger, better. I rarely fish the tailwater side if I stay there in winter
Yes it's a tried and true winter hold but much better on the north side.
2019/10/21 08:24:38
fichy
  Well, I didn't say it was  easy. Sometimes I had to break through skim ice, some of the time it was walking out on the shelf and jumping off. I don't know if I'd do it now, I'm getting a little too old.  The good thing is, after a drift boat or two passed I'd see no one.  I haven't been there, other than a walk down the powerlines, since the tailwater opened. My casting skills are also up to the challenge of overhead trees and banks in close proximity. Yeah, just use slinkys and a spinning rod. No thanks, I like the challenge.
  If I understood what you said correctly, all the places you visit have garbage. Lots of places I go, don't, or there's just accidental micro-trash . Different clientele. And actually, the  vast majority are free. 
      My town was the only town in NY to receive a grant from the EPA to  fund a program for economic development through outdoor education. A town forest has been purchased. Friends and I will construct trails and help develop educational programs fostering stewardship and respect for the environment. Less and less garbage is seen on the roads in my town, thanks to teachers and parents that promote ethical behavior. We even have a very good wild broookie stream on the property.  Oddly, in this current political climate, it's a bi-partisan effort.  As for millionaires expecting others to clean up their butts, that's the micro view  of a macro-economic  problem. Nice analogy. I'll be interested to see how the DSR is run and the overall sense of the place. Til I get eyes on, I'll reserve judgement. I'm one of those annoying people that like empirical data.
2019/10/21 10:58:41
Lucky13
HT, you have a very flawed understanding of NYS Fishing and land use laws.  Posted has meant the stream, too, since as long as I have been on the planet, it is a fairy tale that you are ok as long as you stayed in the water.  Clubs such as the Tahawus Club (Upper Hudson and Opalescent), the clubs on the upper Beaverkill, the Garbutt Club on Spring Brook and Oatka Creek in WNY, just to name a couple, have posted their banks and waters for over a hundred years, and have vehemently prosecuted trespassers.   AS I know you have heard from Fred, Doug posted his property and started DSR because of the complete chytshow that was happening in the fall, the amount of garbage left both on the river and in access points, and to subsidize the costs of liability insurance he was having to buy, to protect himself from lawsuits from the families of people who drowned upstream but washed up on his ground, and the inevitable casualties of the mayhem going on on his property.  2Bob first , and then I when  I arrived shortly later,  helped him pick up up in the old lot on 13, and that was not long before the posters went up.  He did not challenge anything, he maintained that he owned the Riparian rights, including the fishing rights, when sued by the Driftboat guides, and the Courts found in his favor, and in favor of other riparians if certain conditions of title were met, as they were for DSR.  I do  not like to have to pay to access " public" fish, but none of the public trout leave the river in the private preserve, so it does not lessen the opportunity of upstream fishers to get at that part of the resource.  What is a round of golf cost at a private course now?  A Single membership for 7 day access at a small country club nearby is over $1000 a season.  In that light, the fee at DSR is not so expensive, and since I only have a few years of being able to do the death marches, I'm willing to pay for the better experience now.
 
Fichy, high probability that we'll be in town on the 29th, I'll watch for the beard!
2019/10/21 11:54:49
r3g3
Used to love going there before the DSR but agree it was like the Ballpark.
Liked it when they offered a parking area and ladder to get to the river and willfully paid the fees up to around $25.
Those were one trip and done years and as I started going much more often also stopped paying them and went upstream.
Also didn't enjoy guides with several clients pushing in when ya had a decent spot. Just as bad IMHO as the snaggers running over and busting your little pocket upriver not necessarily snagging but trying to get right along side of ya.
Rude behavior by those  who hadda get fish  $$$ was often as bad as the rising price.
2019/10/21 12:06:01
hot tuna
What a strange twist.
You are correct in why the dsr was changed from public to completely closed to now a privatized fishing location.
What I don't understand is your thinking that this was supposed affordable to the public and currently comparing it to an elite golf club as reasonable now.
As for the law: it took 3 courts to make a final decision after the first one was not taken in favor of the public.
And finally, it was only as long as I've been on this planet that yes you could access water ( deemed the water is public) as long as you didn't trespass through property . Now the ground under the water is no longer
Allowed to be touched even if the water is.

Trout were allowed to be harvested there as well until I believe 2011 so this is a somewhat new
Enough on this subject for me. Enjoy fantasy land down there.
http://www.nationalrivers...r-fact-or-fiction.html
2019/10/21 12:20:21
fichy
The DSR day pass now  costs about fifteen beers in a bar or 6 packs of cigarettes, or many times more for a ticket out of reality whether it's pills or inhaled. 3 pizzas.  It ain't for the indigent,  but I'll spend as much in gas going out.  They let my wife in for free, and she'll carry a pack with good food and everything we need. 
In some ways it's a cheap thrill. And a healthy one
2019/10/21 12:25:30
troutbum21
fichy
  Costs about fifteen beers in a bar. 6 packs of cigarettes, many times more for a ticket out of reality whether it's pills or inhaled.


Ha, I don't drink in bars, smoke tobacco or take recreational drugs so I guess I'm ahead of the game when I pony up DSR's asking price.  Lol  
 
2019/10/21 14:53:46
fichy
troutbum21
fichy
  Costs about fifteen beers in a bar. 6 packs of cigarettes, many times more for a ticket out of reality whether it's pills or inhaled.


Ha, I don't drink in bars, smoke tobacco or take recreational drugs so I guess I'm ahead of the game when I pony up DSR's asking price.  Lol  
 


Some people fly to New Zealand or Argentina to catch a 10lb. brown in a river, like you did in the Meadow. Now that's some savings.
2019/10/21 15:24:38
troutbum21
fichy
troutbum21
fichy
  Costs about fifteen beers in a bar. 6 packs of cigarettes, many times more for a ticket out of reality whether it's pills or inhaled.


Ha, I don't drink in bars, smoke tobacco or take recreational drugs so I guess I'm ahead of the game when I pony up DSR's asking price.  Lol  
 


Some people fly to New Zealand or Argentina to catch a 10lb. brown in a river, like you did in the Meadow. Now that's some savings.


I'll tell my wife that when I spend more $$$ on equipment.
 

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