2019/10/19 16:26:48
Clint S
I have heard that they are now going full pool rotation at the meadow pool at the DSR. Even days fly fishing , swinging only with 1/8 oz weight  limit added to fly only .  odd days will be conventional gear . No fishing from south side.   I may have the odd, even mixed up. Catch and release only for ALL species at this area also. They have a rod rack for placeholder and markers set up for distance. Full rotation of pool should be 45 min that say. Don't go there so no skin either way, but maybe someday though..... LOL
2019/10/19 19:41:33
hot tuna
Clint, posted a response to their page on my feelings . Nuff said
2019/10/20 07:23:50
fichy
Enough paying customers want it to warrant it, I imagine. They are the ones that stay in the  expensive rental houses, too. Though I think it an imposition on public pools where others are already fishing, there's nothing wrong with establishing it on private waters. If they made the whole SR CandR  it could change the river to something akin to atlantic salmon rivers, without  paying for individual beats and mandatory guides.  I read  a complaint last week from a guy who brings a group  from England to fish the SR. He said they spent an enormous amount of money, but felt the fishery had become ridiculous and geared to snaggers.  He said they're not use to seeing fishermen throw their garbage on the bank and treat trophy fish as if they were the same. Rule changes like this may draw them back.  The trial run must have been successful if they are now instituting it.   I can put out a pretty long line with a  single hand spey and a nine foot rod, maybe someday I'll go check it out. 
    I think I was with with Clint fishing a prime spot in Paradise, when a bunch of swingers tried to force us into rotation. They didn't get their way. If it's a mutual choice, great. If not, pound salt. 
2019/10/20 07:59:08
Lucky13
I bought my pass this year, and I walked down on Friday to check it out.  I think it is even any legal tackle and odd swung flies only.  It is from today (10/20) until 11/28.  There was no need for full rotation on Friday, but the guys that were in the Meadow were rotating anyway.  This system will definitely give more people access to the run, one of the best for swinging on the river.   And old timers like me will need to sit on the benches for a while after the death march down there.  Unless of course you prefer to get there and find virtually the entire run taken up by guys who are holding the "buckets" for the whole day.  But with the " stream improvement " work done down there, which should move the fish further up river more quickly than  the "natural braids", the entire stretch from the meadow to the frog water below lower clay is one big "meadow."
 
The DSR property is amazingly clean, I have picked up 2 small pieces of trash in my three trips down there, and the river tenders I have met have all been very cordial and informative, I may be showing one of them  around the Rachacha area when he heads this way on a busman's holiday.  Early there were a lot of flossers hanging in the choke points  watching for the kings, but now it is mainly flyguys and Pinners, and the pinners don't hero float.  Definitely more pleasant than some encountering of the posses up river!
2019/10/20 16:31:02
fichy
Encouraging,  Lucky. I'll have to make an effort. I'm on a streak of going to the river on the 29th for my birthday for the past decade.  I was going to skip this year. Might make a pass reservation, now.  Thanks for the info.
 
 
 
2019/10/20 16:41:53
hot tuna
I just returned from setting up my hunting camp on 874 acres private property.
So here is my rub with anything now dsr.
They were cool in making a better environment towards fishing. Offering reasonable pay to park and good water available. Once they challenged generations long waterway usage it left bad tastes in my stomach.
They were the only single business to reject public usage of the waters that ran through their property. It changed the entire fishing laws in the entire state of NY. I get it and if it was solely for keeping people off their property, I could endorse that challenge. It was NOT,. It was however to capitalize on a profit from the state of every angler in ny and beyond fund.
Yes , it's a cleaner section of the waterways, but whose fault is that.
They are now trying once again to sway regulations changes. No kill of trout, mandatory rotation, mandatory tackle restrictions and the one that burns me is no fishing from the south shore. That is just a start of capitalism in its finest towards a publicly funded fishery.

I remember when they first started charging to "park " the ballpark and black hole tried to follow suit. It quickly got squashed but it or many sections along that river deemed private could once again become reality. Tailwater and anyone with deep pockets
2019/10/20 18:10:05
fichy
What happened to hyping Tailwater?  And whose fault is the trash in the public sections?  Sure ain't mine.
2019/10/20 18:26:21
hot tuna
I only hype tailwater as a good lodging facility. In pretty convinced I will spend $105.00 a night with my wife for a hotel that has 4 star rating with plenty to do just there than a 40 ppl in a well used fishing room . There is a difference if I'm solo.
The fishing sucks on that side anyway except for the barrel. They don't capitalize and charge to fish the river or disallow fishing except on their 400 yard side unless you stay at their hotel. Its actually what I promote. There are no extra fees or regulations involved. Even drift boats are allowed to anchor .

Trash becomes everyone's problem, no matter theirs or not ours. For me to think I should pay a enormous fee to be trash free is not to my liking. I do not think that the price of fishing should influence the lack of trash.
Kick people in the azz, hold them accountable . That's what's lacking and its not about paying extra for someone else to clean it up. Education and enforcement, that's why I haven't visited the river in 1.5 years
2019/10/20 18:43:57
hot tuna
I've watched multi millionaires throw their cigarette butts on the ground because they think someone else should clean it up
2019/10/20 19:17:55
fichy
I liked Schoolhouse frog water side in the winter, it heats up and draws steel and others to the soft seam that butts it. Only place I've landed an Atlantic in the SR.  Your experience is different. You barely flyfish, I pursue it with a passion. I enjoy the company of those that share it.
  There's lots of signs about the detraction of litter. The azzhats partying in Stoneys til four in the morning aren't worried about having their conscience , or consciousness disturbed by some DEC sign. Until a different mindset  is established on the whole river, it might be a vast plus to have an escape. My wife goes to the river with me, she is starting to hate it. I have opened my mouth to trash throwers and snaggers. Little good it does. Some people are beyond redemption. I'd venture the lack of trash at the dsr is because people are starting to self police. Perhaps paying for a privilege  engenders respect. 
   I would rather eat  corn finished beef than fish and have no illusions I'm some master hunter gatherer. Forcing more  Catch and Release on the river is good for me, especially if they expand the fly zones.  For now, the dsr will do. Maybe if I had my own Montana size hunting preserve I'd have a different perspective.

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