Andrew,
Thank You for expressing your thought and empathy..This thread was not about weapons or illness..
It's about what we as adults are doing in this society.. Yes Adults..
We are the teachers of our children..
 
In my time of growing I learned what is right and wrong.. No laws ever made can replace what I always knew..
Sure I chose some very wrong paths at times but instilled in me I ALWAYS knew that harming another human being was wrong..
We again as adults with children bring these small wonders into this world, and it seems more then ever it's becoming a very harsh place..
It is up to each and everyone to try and make this a better place then it has been for our youth..
Teach them the good things this place has to offer, teach them how to cope with struggles and teach them how to coexist with fellow man and nature.. The saying Love and compassion holds true..
If we all take time out of our everyday lives to just shake a strangers hand, say hello to a neighbor and share our virtues,wisdom and faults with the youth of today then maybe we stand a chance at success.
This and many tragedy like come from our (adults) failures..
Very Sorry to bring this topic to such disarray and will not comment any further..
 
Peace & Tuna
 
P.S.
Charlie, I don't think the french will be making cement in Ravena much longer. My trips will become much shorter and the quarry will be more a means of survival then sport..
 
 

DB could not agree more.  Too much media coverage.  
HT couldn't  agree more.       Parents in alot of instances are not respected by their children and children do not respect adults in general.   Parents want to be their kids friends and not be the ones who discipline and teach.  Kid feel at a very young age that they are on an equal playing field or better with adults.  

Wonderful pic, Andrew.  Have a blessed Christmas with your family. You're right, Clint. Respecting your parents, elders and authority goes a long way towards creating stability and peace. It's an integral  part of every major religion.
In this season, that should count for something. 
 
 
RJ, I've no problem helping you fill a pail, bro. , long as  a few flop towards my frying pan.   PM sent.  My stuff's ready to go.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

WTF is this!...........VOLUNTEER firefighters are shot outside of Rochester NY and the SOB that did it set a trap so he would have targets to shoot at.The SOB is dead but that was too good for him as he should have been lowered into the fire that he set and roasted to hell!....Sorry but that is how I feel!
 
What is this leading to?

Pa that was about 10 minutes from my house.
I've been at work all day so just had a few minutes during lunch to see the news.
Didn't hear the gunman was dead.
The local news seems to be being much more carefull with giving info than the "news" chnnels.
No word on the weapon.
The trauma center spokesperson said the bullet they dug out of one of the injured was to deformed for them to say what it might have come from.
Could have been a 22 but I doubt it since both injured were shot in the chest so it would appear he was just shooting at center mass and killed 2.
 

Updated news on Yahoo home page have the names of the dead and wounded,no motive mentioned 2B.The shooter was shot dead but unclear if he killed himself or shot by police.What a tragedy for the families of these brave men on Chrismas Eve......as HT said WHY?

Latest news conference says there was a brief firefight and he shot himself in the head.
He served time for killing his grandmother so as a felon could not legally posses a firearm.
As they say criminals don't follow the law.
They haven't been able to locate his sister who lives in one of the homes that burned. 

Yep,he beat his granny to death with a hammer and then our judicial system releases him after a short term 'cause he was a good boy in prison?I fear his sister may be dead somewhere also.If they would execute all murderers instead of releasing them a lot of future murders would be avoided.I'm all for death in 30 days if there is no doubt they are guilty,what we have now is BS!

Tough one thee Jack.
I would have a hard time dealing if I found out I ha put an innocent person to death so while I believe in the death penalty due process has to be followed to a certainty.
18 years for killing granny.
I thought I heard them say it was max for whatever he was convicted.
Might have been a few red flags showing on this guy.
 
 

I said no doubt,if he beat his granny with a hammer there probably was no doubt.Locally we had a guy stab four people to death that previously cut someones throat and he was released to murder again.As far as I'm concerned it's one strike and you're done for murder.Just saying!