2014/11/17 15:12:09
S-10
That's just the new reality for those who are consistently successful on 2yo or better bucks that do not have access to private property DarDys.
 
I have averaged well over 100 hours on stand for each of the last five bow kills and had 272 total hours for my last rifle kill. That is after all the pre season stuff I do every year.
 
I have been successful every year but one since AR/HR (and should have been that year) but have made it a full time job and most folks have neither the time or desire to do so and they really shouldn't have to just to have a chance for a Pa buck. 
 
Of course we are getting all that excellent regeneration as a result of HR.  LOL
2014/11/17 17:35:55
World Famous
There's as many as there was 12 years ago....WF....No, we reduced the herd for regeneration...No, there's as many before because the harvest is the same...No, EDH and CWD has reduced the herd...No, the same amount get killed by cars as before............I just don't know what to think...PGC, please help me; I know I can trust you.
2014/11/17 18:08:12
dpms
DarDys
First off, congrats on a great buck. You deserve it.

 
Thank you.

But.......
You knew the but was coming, didn't you?
Your title says it all -- 2 weeks, 99 hours. A second job would read 2 weeks, 80 hours (or way less).

What fraction of a percentage of PA hunters can -- time off, honey-do, favorable weather, financially, etc. -- let alone are willing to turn what was once a sport into work of that magnitude?



Here is the thing. You are right, not many devote the time to it that some of us do. Scouting, stand placement, vacation, time in the stand, etc..... Some of us make it a priority because we enjoy the challenge and the sport of archery hunting. 
 
Obviously my priority is my family. With that said, I am fortunate that I have the ability to set aside time during early November to pursue my passion if all is good with the family. 
 
I took of from November 1st- 12th then hunted the afternoon of Friday the 14th and planned an all day Saturday the 15th when I shot the above buck at 10:30. 11.5 days with most all day sits. Not a job but a experience I enjoy. 
 
I passed up a 8 point on November 1st at 25 yards on my first sit of my vacation. My hunt could have been over in 3 hours and many would have taken that buck and be as happy as a lark. If I elected to take that buck and said, "1 day, 3 hours, nice buck" some would have said, "man, that was easy" with not much work involved. But, in the end, those of us that spend a lot of time archery hunting know that the sport of archery hunting was never easy, even when we had more deer. Some approach it as work, some as sport. I enjoy it as my passion and I hope to be able to continue to enjoy doing what I do. 
2014/11/17 18:11:54
dpms
Panfisher
Awesome buck Gene. About how much did he weigh?

 
No idea, Pan. I did not tape him or weigh him. I do know he was my largest bodied deer ever though. 
 
Slow season for me here in Somerset County. Saw 3 smaller bucks and one half decent buck but no shooters.

 
Some my wonder how I can say this after being successful but the first two weeks of November were on the slow side for me as well. One of the slowest I can remember in some time. I saw young bucks cruising and occasionally giving chase, but i never saw any real intense rut activity despite pretty good weather. It worked out in the end though. 
2014/11/19 13:54:21
wayne c
Humbled D?  You humbled yourself the day several years ago, when you decided you "needed" a "crossgun" to hunt the archery season. lmao.   Just think, if you could stretch that arm another 6 inches, that scrap rack might look like a p&Y, although you also might dislocate your shoulder...  J/K...  Couldn't resist. lol   Seriously, Congrats!
 
Been a hard season.   More "deerless" sighting stands than I can remember.    Put in a chitload of hours.  Once again, no time to get traps and gear ready to run a line, no small gaming, no early fall pred hunting...  Just as in most recent years, been basically like a full time job.  Every hour that I wanted to hunt was spent in a stand.   Didn't get to pass on too many shooters, just a couple early on, pickens slim.   Really poor year for our buck sightings and deer in general.     Didn't want to go rifle season with the bow again, getting close to burned out with this lackluster results so far, so just pretty much took an "out" and whacked an averagish 8  somewhat below my usual standards for bologna and jerky early the last week.   Game cam pics coming from our groups cams spread across 5 properties in parts of two counties since august showed ONE buck that I thought was a "good one" and considered a shooter for most of the season and saw no what I consider to be good bucks from stand this entire season.
 
Rut activity, I saw one distant chase with a very small buck after a doe hot and heavy one morning...  That was it.   Used to be able to count on seeing this regularly during last two weeks.
 
 
2014/11/19 21:09:56
dpms
wayne c
  Game cam pics coming from our groups cams spread across 5 properties in parts of two counties since august showed ONE buck that I thought was a "good one" and considered a shooter for most of the season and saw no what I consider to be good bucks from stand this entire season.

 
We have two 125 or better on about 250 acres. My buddy missed the biggest one the same day I got mine. Open it up to about 400 acres, including a few of the neighboring farms and we think we have maybe four in that class. The buck I shot none of us had seen before, including the farmers.  He was probably traveling through looking for does or a hot doe drug him into there. The guy was winded so he was on the move that morning. 
 
Rut activity, I saw one distant chase with a very small buck after a doe hot and heavy one morning...  That was it.   Used to be able to count on seeing this regularly during last two weeks.

 
Pretty weak rut for me as well. Young bucks moving pretty decent. Some half hearted chasing. Never saw a real chase with several bucks on one doe and I was in the woods for almost two solid weeks. 
 
Good news is I saw more does while archery hunting than I usually see. We have laid off of them the past few years but I think some are going down this year. The one farmer said he took some crop losses this year and wants to knock them back this year. Saw a doe with triplets. Pretty cool as twins have been rare with all of the coyotes these days showing up. 
 
 
2014/11/19 22:31:09
BeenThereDoneThat.
I am, most likely, one of the luckiest archers when it comes to having time, land, and health for hunting.  I have stands in the thickest of 'river bottom' growth, along with access to open woods and, farm fields.  From my back deck I can see acres upon acres of this land and, at times of the year I can see different groups of deer and tell you what direction from which they'll come and, which direction they will go.  I have pictures, taken by hand held and field cameras, of deer showing up almost the same time every evening or morning during certain times of the year.  This past summer/fall I captured pictures of 5 different legal bucks (two wall hangers) less than 120 yds from my favorite shooting stand (my back deck).  Doe and other bucks were constantly milling, lounging and, feeding in my back field into late summer early fall.
 
My field was certainly not free from strange scent as I, and my two 'Bumpous Hounds', frequent the area weekly.  If not mowing the 8' foot wide cartway around the field I was shooting guns and/or bow on my shooting range.
 
These critters have some form of built in 'Day Light Savings Time' that changes their habits like something flips a switch.  No more seeing them in their regular patterns or catching them on fieldcam.  Well used areas now become abandoned and the abandoned areas become well used. The million dollar question; where will they be, during legal shooting time?  Silly me, that's why it's called hunting!
 
The time I spend scouting and looking for a good spot to set a stand is based not, on hopes of getting that 'wall hanger' but, where I can find easy access to areas hopefully holding a legal shooter.   The easy access is for getting the animal out of the area and back to my house without, taking all day and night.  Don't seem to be able to drag em the way I use to.
 
Can't complain, saw deer so I did, and I passed on several doe and was taken by surprise when a six point turned out to be a seven point.  Was on the ground lookin that critter right in the eye 20 paces out and let him go by, didn't see the third point on his left antler, so I didn't.
 
Never saw that dude before, not even on film, and I sure didn't see hide nor hair of  him again or, the other shooters I'd been getting pictures of.
 
Been here seven years now and this is the first year that I could take the time and scout my hunting area. Taking time to look for those areas of easy access, deer activity, as well as activity by other hunters.  As soon as the weather improves (this weekend) I'll be setting ladder stands in some new areas with hopes of getting my trophy in second season archery.
 
As for firearms,  I'm surrounded by tree stands belonging to other hunters so, you'll find my azz sitting on my back deck!
 
 There's been times I walked into the woods and in a matter of a few hours was on my way home with my trophy.  There's been times I've hunted til the last hour before gettin my trophy. There's been times, like this year, I may have to wait for the next season to get my trophy. There's been more times, than not, that I didn't get a deer and that includes pre AR!
 
However, I wish somebody had the AR rule shoved where the sun don't shine and I'm hoping someone in the PGC comes to their sense's before the remaining deer are completely anilated in my little piece of heaven.  Trust me, the tree stands have tripled over the past two years and when the deer are gone, those tree stands will move to somebody else's little piece of heaven.  Perhaps yours.
 
2014/11/20 13:40:17
wayne c
These critters have some form of built in 'Day Light Savings Time' that changes their habits like something flips a switch.  No more seeing them in their regular patterns or catching them on fieldcam.  Well used areas now become abandoned and the abandoned areas become well used. The million dollar question; where will they be, during legal shooting time?  Silly me, that's why it's called hunting!

 
For those that are very knowledgeable on deer and the land hunted, along with their food sources and bedding areas, its really not all that complicated at all.   Nothing mysterious about it at all.   They're either there or they aint.  And more often these days in many areas....they aint.
2014/11/20 13:49:45
wayne c
D, sounds like I need to head north.
 
Which reminds me of how much I hate asking permission and seeking out new areas when I have so many properties to hunt now that SHOULD be better than they are and who knows, could be from one year to the next.  
 
Used to be much easier to get permission too.   Now last coupla years after a road trip and morning or evening spent asking permissions, I usually end up just feeling like punching someone in the face due to some of the smart-azz responses even after having had to kizz****and be over the top polite.
 
Had to go through Allegheny county this a.m.   Saw a very nice buck standing out in the wide open 60 yrds off the road.  Didn't bother counting points or even slowing down due to traffic.  But was the nicest buck Ive seen in over 2 years.
2014/11/20 20:30:15
dpms
wayne c
D, sounds like I need to head north.

 
Herd is still way down from 8-10 years ago where I hunt in Washington County.  No doubt about it. 
 
Which reminds me of how much I hate asking permission and seeking out new areas when I have so many properties to hunt now that SHOULD be better than they are and who knows, could be from one year to the next.

 
My 2B spot has been drying up over the past few years. Been trying to find another good spot but it is tough in that area for sure.  
 
 
 
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