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r2g2Someday 'something' will happen at one of those places that ends up in a Court and the decisions on right and wrong will be mandated. 

It already HAS- 3 times to the highest level, supreme court.. We can thank Doug Barclay  for setting the record straight

It was actually the group of drift boat guides that insisted on anchoring. They were the ones that drove it to the supreme court

Clint S
You tube pulled the video due to violence.   There are a few people that have it ion facebook.   I knew I should of downloaded it

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r2g2Someday 'something' will happen at one of those places that ends up in a Court and the decisions on right and wrong will be mandated. 

It already HAS- 3 times to the highest level, supreme court.. We can thank Doug Barclay  for setting the record straight

It was actually the group of drift boat guides that insisted on anchoring. They were the ones that drove it to the supreme court

Db, if short term memory serves.. The guides anchored and were charged for trespass by Sir Barclay..
Guides filed for court and WON.. Guides =1
Sir Barclay was not happy and appealed and Won
Guides=1
Sir Barclay=1
Now guides not happy with ruling and took it to supreme court and LOST..
Guides=1
Sir Barclay =2
No more courts to appeal as case closed and set..
 
So yes I thank Sir Barclay for screwing the fishermen of New York State for what has been the forever understanding of landowners and fishermen that as long as you stay in the water you were not trespassing.. Now every (well most) landowner want's to profit from their "exclusive" land under the water fishing right..

I know about the Barclay thing but he had both sides and the river bed too on his deeds and leases- wonder whats gonna happen when an owner has one side and the other is PFR. My thought is that each individual property will be researched for actual property lines- Ex- middle of river or edge.
 PFR is great but ya might think its intent  is MORE than just a path along someone elses river  lol.

Exactly tuna, the guides took it to supreme court as I said. If there's anyone to blame its the state for not securing pfr for the whole river.
Too late now though... any bank along the river without pf will unfortunately be lost at one point or another as folks get old and sell or get tired of the circus raining on their parade...
One would hope that any major parcels would be negotiated before intent of sale with Dec to purchase the pfr...the problem is that the offers they give to folks without easement in their deed are peanuts ...sad but true... the reality is this: why would someone accept a bowl of soup for prime river frontage???

Rt, the both sides of the river thing is a complete misunderstanding. It all comes down to pfr and easements that are either in your deed or not in your deed. One can own one side and to the middle of river but have pfr or easement in their deed in which anglers can walk and fish the bank. Anyone who is privatizing their bank has every god given right to do so just as any land owner would privatize their land as they have the right to... bottom line... as much as it sucks it is what it is. I feel as if its too late to fight. The more retaliation there is, the more ammo is given for landowners to fight back. For a while now I pick and choose my fishing time wisely... its not worth a battle to catch fish.

well being an old fart I tend to disagree with the privatizing for profit.
see us old school folks used to knock on doors to get permission to access land to hunt/fish.. Permission was either granted or denied, profiteering NEVER came into issue until said Sir Barclay ..
It was also the unwritten "code" of respected by fishermen and landowner that again, as long as you stay "IN" the water or below the "HIGH WATER" mark it was not "considered" trespassing. That said , it didn't give a fisher the right to walk through property to access the water without permission > as I said above..
 
So while I will have to leave this as an, agree to disagree issue, I still Blame Sir Barclay for breaking the "code of conduct" by charging the guides for trespassing while anchoring their boats "IN" the water and starting the ball rolling..
If said guides were "walking" his land then yes he would have every right to file charges and I think they "guides" would have not taken this matter to supreme court and accepted that..
And for the State to blame for PFR, that is just another way of paying to play through our tax dollars..
 
Sad truth of reality is, this is not the same world today as it once was for us old farts.. lol..
 
Edit:
while it's 5 fin's a season now (250 when I first bought one and they made it available) will one still feel the same way when it's a grand a season ? , then 2, 3, or 5 for our kids and grand kids ?
 

that is the saddest truth of all tuna

This argument, while already settled by the courts, will continue until long after we are gone.  I have always felt that Senator Barclay fought for and got the NYS Hatchery built in Altmar knowing that those returning fish had to come right through his property.  He knew that if this fishery took off that he would stand to make a ton of money thereby increasing his ability to purchase parcels along the river.  His gamble has paid off handsomely.  Some view his vision as a God send, others do not.  My greatest fear is that one day someone will be killed for what is soon to be a dead, rotting fish.  The genie is out of the bottle and its anyone's guess what it will become.    

Tuna, it is the sad truth and its been a trickle down since the beginning of time...although I'm not an old fart yet, my grasshopper butt has knocked on doors for permission and just like yourself and most others that post here, most of us are respectable beings for our environment...but where does the line get drawn??? I guess that's why there is complete gridlock in Washington right now??? Too many people with disimilar interests. Definitely agree to disagree, but I'd say humankind is more to blame than any one individual. Slobs of the world who think they have the right to do as they please and have no regard for any other or the environment and quality of it... that is what has ruined most things in the world and will continue to do the same until our eyes see black. If garbage and riff raff continue down the path it is now... I wouldn't be surprised if I see the day the Dec closes the doors to any access as it could become more of a burden than anything else one day.

Although I'm not a true local here, I have held stakes in the region for ten years now coupled with 24 years of fishing it...and I must say that I dislike the crowds and disrespect that gets thrown around from road rage to litter to sheer rudeness and everything else that comes along with it. All big factors that lead to people posting their land... and the most unfortunate part about it all is that its a small percentage that ends up ruining it for all

Ha... TB , Dad and I always used to say the same thing..
We fished there when we asked permission at the Silo.
Then every slob fisher ruined it.. 
When it was denied and closed we scratched our heads but understood why..
Then it was a pay to park and wheels started spinning.. Big water, no water, high at night and dry by morning.. humm.. It was starting to take shape with Fred (griz) running the dozer and cutting pathways.. Still earned our interest and respect..
Then a pay per angler of $5.00 (steel) -$10.00 (salmon) each drove us out, Dad was fugal but he worked hard for his keep so I understood  and we moved on. I never again walked those waters until he passed in 2001..
Here is one of the few photo memories of dad fishing the SR with his famed rainbow trout rapalas at the pineville run in Feb.. He hated bait..
 
Sometime prior 1985: