my brother is pretty consistent and persistent With swinging wet flies with no weight only for steelhead past five or six years. Although he's watched me have days why I hope many more than him he feels more rewarded with just having one strike. About 3 years ago I had a Morning where I hooked around 15 chromers and landed four of them. He had one fish take and managed to land it. He was fishing across the way from me and fish broke water on the strike.he often refers to that brown that hit my DrY wooly bugger on the surface as a confidence boost on a slow day.

absolutely right gerry. Plenty of new tricks in the basket.one thing I dislike is when some of the purest type sHun or talk down upon someone fishing a certain fly or method in which they think it's inappropriate. An example, I had a guy tell me that high stick nymphing with the switch rod or spey is pretty much against the law... or letting a nymph swing out is Considered dredging and unkosher...

I had a similar experience many years ago on the WB Ausable.  I was targeting active risers from an upstream position casting to a foot or two above their nose instead of the long drift up, across and down that is the standard tactic.  I had a nice evening picking off one after the other under tough conditions and pressured fish.  At dusk as I worked my way back upstream toward the parking area I overheard two old timers talking about me and what they observed.  One said to the other, "did you see that guy, he was doing the exact opposite of everything I had been taught."  Some rules are made to be ignored.  Adapt and overcome!!!! 

Last sentence is said perfectly gerry!

Maybe nymphing with a Spey rod should be  illegal. Half the people using them are cannonball, long tippet and midge fisherman.  Some using indicators set them 3-4 times the depth of the water because the long rod allows them to.  I had a good laugh at a guide I saw Friday trying to land a flossed fish with the indicator pegged at the rod tip and the client holding the  Spey rod straight up trying to get the fish to net. The rod was about to blow and the guide  finally swatted it in . He was setting the bobber  at  12' for a 3' deep run. Uh huh, that's the way to do it.  Nothing wrong with that method.  I fished a little farther down the  3 mph seam with mine set at a little over 4'.   I occasionally ticked bottom. Is there an ethical  purpose for  the other 8'?  If I was a dedicated Spey fisherman that worked big waters out west and in the Maritimes, I'd be shaking my head in disgust.

from what i've seen spey fishing is the super snagging technique.....i watch the eastern block guys down on the wires hole rip salmon  and steel both with them, last week end i watched them (spey guys) working elk creek on erie with 10 ft leaders in 2 feet of water or no indicator but a he11 of a rip as they swung their streamers across the whole tail out of run after run...i guess some people are actually fishing with these rigs, but i have not seen many of them
 

Just like every method there is always a window of illegalities... agree with many of these spey fishers abusing the limitations. Indies have been abused for quite a few years now... so I hear you on that. Just like any other method falls victim of bad intent.

Should a spin fisher not bottom bounce a fly because its against an unwritten rule???

Or how about a fly fisher dead drifting a sac??? How dare he???

For the maritime spey fisher, spey fishing was invented in Scotland on the spey river, so maybe if its done anywhere else it should be called something else???

Now, I'd love to fish large water for salt run salmonoids. And I would love to fish the traditional styles... but don't think these sink tips and what not that many folks use on these traditional rivers can't fall within the guidelines of bad intent. Seen fish get flossed with sink tips and no weight...or a tube fly swung with no weight... and if i were fishing large water somewhere and happened to find a run that I felt like high sticking a nymph through with my two handed...you'd bet your azz I'd give it a shot if the traditionals weren't working. And if any two handed maritime snob shook His head at me I'd be thinking about telling him to shove the butt of his 16' fly swatter right up his azz and suck on it afterwards if he had a problem with my methods...

Just get out and fish...bottom line...

Fichy,
Sounds like this "guide" was using the wrong tool and application.  He was too lazy to bring along an outfit that would be more practical for nymphing.  Its like using a .300 Win Mag to shoot woodchucks when you have a .223 back in the car.
 
BB-I'm not a spey guy but I can see where that "D" loop at the start of the next cast can be viewed as suspicious. 

LMAO... T

dimebrite2
 . And if any  snob shook His head at me I'd be thinking about telling him to shove the butt right up his azz and suck on it afterwards if he had a problem with my methods...

Just get out and fish...bottom line...

Wanna catch some slobs with rapalas on the Ausable sometime   ? :)
I broke out the spin rod on the SR for first time in at least 5 years, and I liked it :) Not quite back to taping the reel to the fly rod again though..lol
Peace & Tuna
P.S.
spey rods suck.. (joking) want to buy mine ?

Tuna, knew you'd understand my attempt at stupid humor...lol!!!

Slobs on rapalas in the ausable??? Anytime...especially since the last trout I caught out of that river were on sizes 18-22 mosquitoes and emerges either on the surface or just below

No, Gerry the guy had 4 Helios Spey rods pre-rigged and sitting there. He was flossing intentionally.  F.ck the D loop , you just flip the  bobber upstream like in normal indy fishing. He was rigged right for lining and snagging.
Had nothing to do with the wrong tool. He was the tool.  And you're funny Dime, but miss the point.  I'm not talking about snobs, I'm talking about people that spend their lives perfecting techniques on  waters  you don't fish. The west coast guys I know could give a **** less what you're doing, but  if you're snagging they'd likely want to shove the Spey  up whomever's azz was trying to snag. Every method will snag fish where there's lots of fish (and fishermen) , a 2 yr. old can figure that out. It's all about intent.  I have no use for snobs, but I do have respect for people that perfect a method.  By the way, I got into it with 2 of the guys  fishing that way, including the guide.  I can still sit comfortably.