2013/11/20 10:47:17
bigbear2012
its true that hogs come in all pursuasions, and all sorts of broad brush strokes have been used to paint them
also true that fishing is not the savior to the local economy and those that feel entitlement because they spend a few bucks are in the wrong
i have no idea how all of the animosity got started, i know of a few stories as to why it continues....but bottom line for me:
i am happy and thankful to have the oppertunity to fish what i consider great fish, in a great place usually with great people i have met through the years
i also try to be a good neighbor when i am up there, keeping my place up, picking up trash and supporting local buissness
guess i'm in the minority for many things, but to me its all about the time on the water and enjoying this great experience while i can still do it

2013/11/20 10:47:20
troutbum21
Sugar Magnolia, blossoms blooming
Heads all empty and I don't care
Saw my baby down by the river
Knew she had to come up soon for air
 
Thanks for that snippet Tuna.
2013/11/20 10:59:26
hot tuna
bigbear2012
its true that hogs come in all pursuasions, and all sorts of broad brush strokes have been used to paint them
also true that fishing is not the savior to the local economy and those that feel entitlement because they spend a few bucks are in the wrong
i have no idea how all of the animosity got started, i know of a few stories as to why it continues....but bottom line for me:
i am happy and thankful to have the oppertunity to fish what i consider great fish, in a great place usually with great people i have met through the years
i also try to be a good neighbor when i am up there, keeping my place up, picking up trash and supporting local buissness
guess i'm in the minority for many things, but to me its all about the time on the water and enjoying this great experience while i can still do it





Bottom line right there ..
 
2013/11/20 11:27:55
r2g2
Don't worry Tuna- if they ever make a law about rotation it will be adhered to and enforced just like the snagging and litter regs.
 Besides- most of us here try and find lonely waters anyhow.
2013/11/20 13:55:21
Lucky13
Certainly there a lot of places where rotation would not work or would not be needed.  But where you have half the Drake subscribers on the east coast descending on a piece of water like LFZ, and you have people who think they own the spot all day whether they are fishing or not, it is reasonable to think that some way to share could be developed.  On the pocket water in town, it would never work, but it never seems that crowded (I don't need the insanity of September anymore).  And it would be dangerous on the right bank of the Genesee in the big hole, you need to be half mountain goat just to get along those rocks, and waders are mainly to keep you dry if it rains.  But in a pool like the refrigerator, the alternative is to just keep squeezing more guys along the beach until it is shoulder to shoulder, and that can get very ugly as well.
 
Mr Keith - EXCUUUUUUUUSSSE ME! Western NY is getting posted up as fast as PA, and I know that not all the people coming are from PA, but that is where most of the imports come from here, and NY does not sell non-returnables.  And soon there will be nowhere out here to fish except Burt and the Oak, and our little piece of the Genny, which is recently trashed with mainly no refund bottles, cans and energy drink cans, all since the steelhead came on, so you can't blame the salmon fishers, and the urban poor who come down there don't buy craft beers, and they take the cans back to get the nickels.  So if it takes high non-resident fees to get me on water on the weekend, keep it a little cleaner without me breaking my back so much for the 30+th year picking up after someone else's kid, and bolster the land acquisition fund, I'm all for it.  I don't know the entire story, but there are a lot of tribs, even on the east end, that don't get any plants anymore, possibly because of the lack of access, which may well come from the mess that was left in the past. North Sandy Creek comes immediately to mind, nothing gets stocked there  anymore, and at one time that stream was crawling with fish.
 
I lived in PA for a while and the fishers I encountered were straight ahead honest conservationists.  We knew that was changing when we met an off duty PA encon officer on the lower river snagging away (it was only legal to snag from Pineville up back then).  If you are one of the good guys, hurray, and thanks for appreciating that you have to exercise stewardship regardless of where you are, if only out of self interest (NY does not allow wading between the posted signs, and there are a lot more all the time, and JP's who might not even think about a fishing violation all take trespass quite seriously ). 
 
And I'm still using up lead I bought from before the ban, a few bags of BB's last a loooooong time.   I have yet to see a loon on the SR (at least the winged kind), and I don't use lead when I am in the 'daks. But I'm sure you switch over to tin as soon as you cross the state line.
 
L13
2013/11/20 17:20:43
fichy
Lonely waters.....   Bear, you have a great philosophy . If you consider yourself a minority, I want to be an underdog, too.   Thanks for everyone's insights. I don't feel as badly now about standing up for my right to fish and not have others' wills imposed upon me.  I'll continue to be polite, friendly, and helpful, but don't tell me to get out of a spot that I rightfully have entered to fish. 
2013/11/23 19:24:50
muskiemeat
As I said today to a guy that wanted to rotate. The only thing I'm gonna rotate is your nose to the other side of your face...keep walkin
2013/11/26 17:30:42
pensfan1
muskiemeat
As I said today to a guy that wanted to rotate. The only thing I'm gonna rotate is your nose to the other side of your face...keep walkin

Attiutdes on the SR are really good. You ask if there's room , if theres not you move on. This kid come down the hill and starts shouting at us one at a time..  " Are you in the rotation? Are you in the rotation?" Dumbfounded I replied "NO". Then he starts complaining about guys not cooperating and how he fished here the last four days rotating the hole.
 
The only thing I had to add to "No" was "beat it, maybe you shouldn't expect to get in a hole after lunch when we were the ONLY guys here for the last hour"  He's actually lucky Meat didnt drown this kid.
 
My take on the whole rotation thing is this.. F! NO. You can't expect guys to give up a drift just because you want them to. Just because you want in to the spot you should've been in all along. Espeically a total stranger. Maybe one day the stranger is gonnna give you something more than the stern "NO!" I gave ya....... AND as always.... Jus say'IN.
2013/11/26 18:17:16
Plum Bob
Rotation? Google the Margaree river, NS. Atlantic salmon. They do things right up there. Rotation working on the SR. Never in a million freakin years!
 
2013/11/26 18:29:26
pensfan1
 I'm sorry, If guys r in the "sweet spot" good for them. I'm not gonna walk up to em and ask can I rotate in and I dont expect someone to ask me the same.. I dont care where it is. If you wanna rotate, spend the 10grand and go to Nova Scotia. 

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